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Originally Posted by Osem
I for one don't think our negotiating position with the EU will be enhanced if we stay in. If anything we'll be in a weaker position having had the chance to get out and decided to stay in. We've been trying to get reform in the EU for years and loom where it's got us. The notion that they'll suddenly start listening to the UK is naïve IMHO.
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That's for sure. They will see us as weak. Remember that this 'deal' Cameron made has to be agreed by the European Parliament long after the referendum. The other 27 Countries also have to sell the deal to their own Parliaments and there will be people in these Countries who won't be happy with it. After all, why should the UK be treated any different to the rest? We're all in the same boat after all.
What I believe will happen is that not all Euro MPs will vote for this deal and there is a scenario where it may not even get through. In that event all this will have been for nothing and a lot of money will have been wasted. It will be very difficult for the UK to get anything more out of the EU if we stay.
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Originally Posted by Damien
We'll have a veto. Doesn't matter if they listen to us, we'll still be able to block it.
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Yes we have a veto but Osbourne wouldn't commit to using it on the Andrew Marr show. IMHO I doubt they would veto Turkey joining as there are another potential 70 million customers for our trade should we stay in.
The point is that if we do remain in the EU we won't have the same clout we do now as they will think we are too feart to leave and they can walk all over us should they chose to.
Also this so-called voice we have by being in the EU is a fallacy to an extent. Every time we make a suggestion we are outnumbered 27/1 until we convince other Countries otherwise as are they. Do you really believe they listen to us now and will listen any more if we stay? I think we've shot our bolt with the EU by holding this referendum and I think reading between the lines Osbourne does too and going by that, the rest of the Tory Party.