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ntluser · 15-02-2016, 16:16

It's interesting how others have responded to avoid the Brexit now that David Cameron has started his "renegotiations" with the EU.

Barack Obama wants a strong UK in a strong EU.

The Russians, it seems, would view a Brexit as a sign of weakness.

One member of the German government has threatened a trade war if the UK leaves the EU.

David Cameron tells us that there is a lot of willingness to try to meet the UK's limited "demands" but despite this it always seems to lead to a further watering down of the original limited proposals.

Before long the agreed proposals will not be worth having as so many are falling back on agreement being required from other EU leaders. The Conservatives are slowly selling out our sovereignty and capacity for independence. I could not imagine that happening under Margaret Thatcher.

You do wonder what happened to the Brtish Lion which forged the Commonwealth, trading with countries all over the world.

Our current politicians sadly do not seem to have the same capacity for independent thought and action as some of our courageous, pioneering forebears. Strange really given that the Conservatives used to be known as the Reforming Tories in the days when reform meant REAL reform and not some con being perpetrated on the British public.

The UK could survive outside the EU but I do wonder what would happen to the Euro if we left. What would the EU do with a Brexit black hole in its finances? Perhaps they would increase the contributions of other EU contributors. Or perhaps they would spend less.

The sad truth is that the EU want to keep us in because of our large contribution to the EU budget,money that could be better spent on the infrastructure of the UK.

Maybe then we can make a real effort to save our ailing industries rather than promising support which turns out to be financial support to find a new job elsewhere.

It will be very interesting to see what the EU leaders make of David Cameron's proposals though I can't help wishing that the other leaders would have the guts to reject them.

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ntluser cf.mega poster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Manchester Age: 78 Services: Virgin Media XL Telephone,TV with Tivo box & Superhub3 upto 150Mb Broadband, Sky World, & Freeview+ Posts: 1,901	re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU It's interesting how others have responded to avoid the Brexit now that David Cameron has started his "renegotiations" with the EU. Barack Obama wants a strong UK in a strong EU. The Russians, it seems, would view a Brexit as a sign of weakness. One member of the German government has threatened a trade war if the UK leaves the EU. David Cameron tells us that there is a lot of willingness to try to meet the UK's limited "demands" but despite this it always seems to lead to a further watering down of the original limited proposals. Before long the agreed proposals will not be worth having as so many are falling back on agreement being required from other EU leaders. The Conservatives are slowly selling out our sovereignty and capacity for independence. I could not imagine that happening under Margaret Thatcher. You do wonder what happened to the Brtish Lion which forged the Commonwealth, trading with countries all over the world. Our current politicians sadly do not seem to have the same capacity for independent thought and action as some of our courageous, pioneering forebears. Strange really given that the Conservatives used to be known as the Reforming Tories in the days when reform meant REAL reform and not some con being perpetrated on the British public. The UK could survive outside the EU but I do wonder what would happen to the Euro if we left. What would the EU do with a Brexit black hole in its finances? Perhaps they would increase the contributions of other EU contributors. Or perhaps they would spend less. The sad truth is that the EU want to keep us in because of our large contribution to the EU budget,money that could be better spent on the infrastructure of the UK. Maybe then we can make a real effort to save our ailing industries rather than promising support which turns out to be financial support to find a new job elsewhere. It will be very interesting to see what the EU leaders make of David Cameron's proposals though I can't help wishing that the other leaders would have the guts to reject them.