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ntluser · 03-02-2016, 11:33

The proposals have to be put to the other EU leaders and it will be interesting to see if they agree with them.

As it is Cameron's original proposals were inadequate at best, failing to address the concerns of ordinary people but even they have been watered down in such a way that we need the support of other EU leaders to carry things through rather than being to act independently irrespective of their support.

It's time for Conservative sceptics to step up to the plate and challenge his leadership as he is leading them, the Conservative party and the country in the wrong direction. Failure to do so could lead to a massive loss of support as there is already a great mistrust of Conservative politicians especially after the expenses scandal and George Osborne's attempt to con the UK public that he had actually negotiated a reduction of our EU contribution when in reality he had simply used our rebate.

Cameron's Conservatives are more concerned with promoting a successful image which as many voters have found is contrary to the truth. The much toted Universal State Pension for example only applies to people who retire following the legislation and not to all the other hard working qualifying pensioners who retired earlier.

As for the EU proposals, my only hope is that the proposals are not accepted by the other EU leaders, which means that in the EU Referendum vote voters will have to vote on the basis of how things are now hopefully increasing the chances of a vote to leave.

It will be very interesting to see how this turns out but like all these matters only time will tell what the outcome will be.

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ntluser cf.mega poster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Manchester Age: 78 Services: Virgin Media XL Telephone,TV with Tivo box & Superhub3 upto 150Mb Broadband, Sky World, & Freeview+ Posts: 1,901	re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU The proposals have to be put to the other EU leaders and it will be interesting to see if they agree with them. As it is Cameron's original proposals were inadequate at best, failing to address the concerns of ordinary people but even they have been watered down in such a way that we need the support of other EU leaders to carry things through rather than being to act independently irrespective of their support. It's time for Conservative sceptics to step up to the plate and challenge his leadership as he is leading them, the Conservative party and the country in the wrong direction. Failure to do so could lead to a massive loss of support as there is already a great mistrust of Conservative politicians especially after the expenses scandal and George Osborne's attempt to con the UK public that he had actually negotiated a reduction of our EU contribution when in reality he had simply used our rebate. Cameron's Conservatives are more concerned with promoting a successful image which as many voters have found is contrary to the truth. The much toted Universal State Pension for example only applies to people who retire following the legislation and not to all the other hard working qualifying pensioners who retired earlier. As for the EU proposals, my only hope is that the proposals are not accepted by the other EU leaders, which means that in the EU Referendum vote voters will have to vote on the basis of how things are now hopefully increasing the chances of a vote to leave. It will be very interesting to see how this turns out but like all these matters only time will tell what the outcome will be.