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ntluser · 02-02-2016, 14:48

I think this went as predicted with Cameron, like Osborne, claiming a great victory in negotiations with the EU.

First we had Osborne telling us that, after hard negotiating, he had wrestled concessions from the EU over the UK contribution to the EU budget, then we later discover that he had simply offset the UK rebate against the debt.

Now we have Cameron coming down from the mountain telling us that his proposals for change, inadequate as they are, have been broadly accepted bar the detail.

Unfortunately we still have the same problems:-

a) we still can't control the number of EU migrants coming here

b) we still can't deport foreign criminals

c) we still have to pay a massive contribution to support the EU & to support the gravy train existence of MEPs

d) we still have to pay the French to control their border as they are conveniently
unable to control the outflow of migrants via the Channel tunnel

e) we can't apply national vetos unless 55% of EU leaders agree but given that the UK is unpopular in Europe agreement seems unlikely, indeed Cameron cannot even rely on the support of his so-called allies in the EU

When the EU referendum comes the citizens of the UK need to ensure that they do not make the same mistake with regard to the EU as the Scots did by choosing to remain in the UK.

The government cannot be trusted with the best interests of UK citizens as they are already fixing the vote conditions to ensure that the UK remains within the EU. Heath took us in, Major kept us there and now Cameron wants to keep us there permanently.

UK voters need to wake up to the idea that Cameron's proposals are just window dressing that mean nothing and we should all be ready to vote to leave the EU.

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ntluser cf.mega poster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Manchester Age: 78 Services: Virgin Media XL Telephone,TV with Tivo box & Superhub3 upto 150Mb Broadband, Sky World, & Freeview+ Posts: 1,901	re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU I think this went as predicted with Cameron, like Osborne, claiming a great victory in negotiations with the EU. First we had Osborne telling us that, after hard negotiating, he had wrestled concessions from the EU over the UK contribution to the EU budget, then we later discover that he had simply offset the UK rebate against the debt. Now we have Cameron coming down from the mountain telling us that his proposals for change, inadequate as they are, have been broadly accepted bar the detail. Unfortunately we still have the same problems:- a) we still can't control the number of EU migrants coming here b) we still can't deport foreign criminals c) we still have to pay a massive contribution to support the EU & to support the gravy train existence of MEPs d) we still have to pay the French to control their border as they are conveniently unable to control the outflow of migrants via the Channel tunnel e) we can't apply national vetos unless 55% of EU leaders agree but given that the UK is unpopular in Europe agreement seems unlikely, indeed Cameron cannot even rely on the support of his so-called allies in the EU When the EU referendum comes the citizens of the UK need to ensure that they do not make the same mistake with regard to the EU as the Scots did by choosing to remain in the UK. The government cannot be trusted with the best interests of UK citizens as they are already fixing the vote conditions to ensure that the UK remains within the EU. Heath took us in, Major kept us there and now Cameron wants to keep us there permanently. UK voters need to wake up to the idea that Cameron's proposals are just window dressing that mean nothing and we should all be ready to vote to leave the EU.