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Originally Posted by Damien
Scaremongering is how the SNP dismissed every single warning from the Unionists in the referendum and it turns out the volatility of oil wasn't an invalid concern.
Would there be anything the 'In' campaign could say that wouldn't be liable to be dismissed as scaremongering? If the argument is to argue for the status-quo then by definition it will be about what will be lost and therefore a negative 'scaremongering' argument.
It's going to be a brutal campaign I think but such as the In campaign will have alarmist warnings the Out campaign will dismiss real concerns as scaremongering and promise a brighter future they may not be able to deliver. For example there is no guarantee all these trade deals we would negotiate independently of the EU will materialise or be as favorable as the Outters are suggesting. The Out side isn't above lying either.
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Forsyth was spot on when he said that we are getting the worst of both worlds right now.
Do you imagine for one second that the UK public will agree to deeper integration, with joining the Euro and Schengen area just for starters, followed by the various other trappings?
Do you imagine for one second that the core EU's idea of a two-speed Europe isn't whether we join the Euro and Schengen sooner or later?
There is no way the public is going to even for a moment entertain joining the Euro and Schengen as both have been proven to be an utter mess. That leaves the status quo and Brexit. The status quo hasn't been kind to us at all, we conceded sovereignty and pay a fair chunk of change for very little net gain and a big trade deficit, which leaves Brexit.
The EU has had more than enough opportunity to reform but has chosen not to. Perhaps Brexit will either kick their backsides into gear and make them deal with the issues or alternatively cause others to question the status quo more strongly.
I very much doubt it will kick their backsides into gear, they'll more likely than not accelerate the integration programme as the solution to every problem appears to be deeper integration and more Europe. How'd that work out for Eurozone members Greece and Cyprus compared with the EFTA member Iceland?
Given the farce that has been our 'renegotiation' I can't see a referendum in the early part of 2016. That leaves a nice big summer rush of a million plus refugees into the EU and the resultant chaos and disorder - I note Greece reporting issues not just at their frontiers but now in Athens, with hordes of economic migrants behaving like mafioso alongside vandalism of property and lawlessness.