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Old 03-12-2015, 12:18   #92
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Re: Shadow Cabinet Anger Over Shock Corbyn Letter

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Originally Posted by Hugh View Post
Well, that didn't take long...

Sky News

Ken Livingstone believes in democracy, as along as you agree with him.
He's always been the same and that's what you get when you put people like him in power. He tries to dress up his views and actions but at the end of the day he's just as extreme as many of those he decries.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees View Post
Airstrikes are already in place against IS/ISIS/ISIL (Whatever their latest name is) in Iraq, is there any intelligence/proof that shows it has caused a significant dent in their capability? Recent events would suggest not.

So what exactly will airstrikes against Syria achieve? apart from the usual loss of life to innocent civilians

This is an 'organisation' which employ guerilla/terrorist tactics to meet their objectives, an enemy that has clearly demonstrated they hold no fear with regards to their own deaths.

In the sixties the 'greatest nation on the planet' were made to look very silly by the VC/NVA surely people must see some similarities between the two ?

Finally, If (and it's a big if) IS/ISIS/ISIL were to be defeated by this campaign, whats to stop another radical/extremist group stepping in to fill the vacuum and carrying on despicable barbaric acts. Let us not forget it is the coalition that must be held to account for the rise of IS/ISIS/ISIL in the first place, for their complete and utter lack of planning and forethought of GW1/2 etc.

You cannot defeat an ideology with bunker bombs or tomahawk missiles.
We haven't defeated Nazism either, does that mean that fighting WWII was the wrong thing to do? Where would we be now if we hadn't?

There is no victory (in the conventional sense) to be had here. Those days are long gone. The best we can do is stop them amassing more weapons, money, supplies etc. and try to contain them. Whatever we do we cannot erase their ideology. We're fighting now to achieve the least worst outcome, not a victory, and we're going to be dealing with the resulting terrorism forever more.
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