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Originally Posted by Chrysalis
Its worth remembering a few things here.
The press is mainly right wing bias, so they will be out to try and dirty left wing shadow cabinet members even if it means lieing to do so (yes the sun is trash like the daily mail and NOTW in they will make stuff up).
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"The media"? Does that include the Mirror (so far to the left it would struggle to get around a roundabout)? Or the Guardian?
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Originally Posted by Chrysalis
You guys are advocating a central labour party like it was under blair and what liz kendall wanted, one that will probably back everything the tories and do then begs the question what is the point of a party that is a clone of the tories?
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There's a difference between backing the tories and being a credible opposition. Half of Labour's problem isn't their policies, but rather the infighting and the obvious feel of it being Amateur Night at Labour HQ. For example, its not really an issue if Labour opposes Trident or not (the voters can decide on that themselves), but rather how the Labour leadership announced that Ken Livingstone was to carry out a defence policy review without mentioning the fact to the Shadow Defence Secretary Maria Eagle. It smacks of either complete amateurism, or a desire by the hard left of the Labour party to take "their" party back.
As for "New" Labour being Tory clones, as a naturally right leaning voter (but not a conservative or UKIP voter) I'd disagree they were tory clones, however they did do one thing that no Labour government did before them...
They won elections.
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Originally Posted by Chrysalis
Dispite the viewpoint on here millions of people like corbyn in this country, there is a reason he is popular with many and why he got voted in.
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Corbyn got himself voted in by Labour's activist vote and a large number of "three quidders". These aren't your average voter, who rolls up and puts a cross in a ballot box to return an MP. Political party membership in the UK is at an all time low, and those that are party members and activists don't represent the vast majority of people who aren't.
Just look at the conservatives under IDS. He was popular with the party, but was about as much use as fart in the wind.
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Originally Posted by Chrysalis
With all that said tho labour will be unelectable, I said this when he got the leader gig, but also as has been pointed out by people a left wing labour will serve as a better opposition then a central labour party.
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What purpose is there to perpetual opposition? Labour has already shrunk back to its core mining areas, and even these are under threat from UKIP (basically the tories but not called the tories so you can vote for them with a clear conscience). If Corbyn and his cronies carry on, the only people left voting Labour will be the subscriber base of the Socialist Worker (all twelve of them) and marxist university lecturers.