[Osem]

It's not wrong to want to stay in a reformed EU but I think the majority of people here now believe the EU is incapable of reform. They're just like Fifa FGS. They've lied and deluded themselves so often they maybe now they even believe their own nonsense and rhetoric. Cameron's inclination is to stay in but I can't see how he can come back from his 'negotiations' with little/nothing and present that as an unmitigated success worthy of our backing at the ballot box The fact that the EU won't negotiate on any of the key areas of reform which are required says it all about the head in the sand attitude which prevails in Brussels. As it stands that attitude is what a) will lead the UK to leave and b) result in the EU's demise. Our main concern must be how to limit the damage done to our economy when that happens.