[Jong1]

@Ignitionnet,

Of course this device is more up to date and I am glad you have confidence. You are clearly much closer to this new device than me. And, yes, to reply to Carlos, no one has a perfect or even glowing record in this area.

When I say middleman, I mean that Foxconn make iPhones, but I wouldn't necessarily want to buy a Foxconn designed phone. Similarly, there are companies who specialise in router technology (or laptops, or monitors or...) who outsource manufacturing to operations like this in Taiwan/China. Sure Compal have their own generic firmware, but is it world-class? is it well maintained? I say this as someone who has run an engineering group procuring from far eastern OEMs. Their quality can vary widely depending on who is driving them. And, although they may harbour long-term ambitions to be an "Apple" or "Samsung" themselves, they very often stay in the background because they know they don't have the skills in all these areas. Do we trust Liberty as a non-specialist, buying from also a non-specialst, to have the skills or focus to guarantee it is? Maybe we do, but I think it's a valid question.

I would still say that cable companies have historically:

- chosen cost over hardware specification, which has in the past led to them being late to the party with things like stateful packet inspection. Many routers now have technology that I doubt will make this version of the "SuperHub".
- chosen simplicity of installation and setup (partly, but of course not exclusively, driven by the desire to reduce support costs) over security. Over the years this has led to using easy to guess default passwords, same wifi default passwords on all devices etc.

Of course, going with a rebadged router for a respected home/small office brand, is no guarantee of anything better, especially if they are working to a very low price target. But I do believe that Virgin's decision to go with Netgear was seen pretty universally as a good thing at the time - when compared to what they and others had previously put out.

Time has moved on. I hope this great. I just wanted to say that a big company buying "millions" of devices, whilst it might be great for cost and could mean a lot of focus on customer security, it certainly doesn't guarantee it and history does not demonstrate that it is likely to be top of mind.

@qas...., my credentials in this area are irrelevant. Why don't we just stick to discussing the real issue. If the people close to this product are sure it's of world-class that's great. But I don't think it's unreasonable to want to discuss it