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Originally Posted by techguyone
Flip the point, ok. If I were a refugee I'd head for the nearest safe place I could find. Why would I further risk my family to danger travelling further than necessary.
My attitude is firm but fair. Trad British values, remember those? before we became all overly PC and waiting to sue/be offended to order.
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As far as being made welcome. How welcome would you feel when you get things like this to look forward to. (Yes I know its from The Mail)
I still reckon it'll be a very different picture in six months or less when reality bites. Let's hope there's better joined up thinking for next years rush, I'd expect this years to slow down shortly due to winter approaching. Some of those european winters can be be bitter. |
OK, now we're getting to the meat of things.....
How is it more dangerous to travel to Germany from somewhere such as Greece?
The very fact is that Greece has over 1m refugees, Turkey has approx 2m Saudi Arabia has IIRC 2.5m there are something like (again IIRC) 6m internally displaced. People are whinging about a few thousand ???
Lets look realistically at the numbers 160,000 to be spread across the EU it's not a lot in the grand scheme of things and it's a situation we were implicit in creating in certain countries and therefore we have an important part to play.
It's quite simply not acceptable for us to try and impose western democracy (see Regime Change) and when the fallout kicks in for us to say it's not our problem
That picture regardless of where it's from, let's consider what was provided for them as they arrived? Was there adequate access to sanitation for example?
We have a duty to help those in need and currently it's one collectively we're shirking.
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Originally Posted by Osem
There's none so blind as those who refuse to see. The proof is there before us, unfolding on a massive scale yet for some it's as if nothing's been learned. It's truly bizarre.
They want to go to Germany because they're more welcome there blah, blah, blah,... Oh really? There was I thinking this was all about desperate refugees seeking refuge from bombs...  Well what happens when the mood in Germany changes to the masses they've encouraged to come? It's already happening and this is only the beginning FGS. What happens when the migrants decide Germany isn't quite so friendly or there are better prospects elsewhere?
It's clear to me that some people can't see beyond the ends of their noses. Despite all the problems we've seen develop across Europe as a result of the failure of immigration policies and now a mass surge of refugees and economic migrants, some people would open the doors even wider. Frankly it would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic and dangerous. These people need to understand that what they are asking for is irreversible. The tap can't just be turned off and as I've stated many times before, nobody seriously believes that any assessment and removals policy is going to be effective so once these people, very largely young single men, get to the EU, the cast majority of them will remain here. Ask yourselves how well they're going to adapt, integrate, fit in... We have our very own brand of home grown radicals who've been lucky enough to have been born here to immigrant parents and are hell bent on causing us mayhem or heading off to join the most extreme group of terrorists you could imagine. All that happened to people who were born here in freedom and relative wealth, how much easier for it to happen to people who are going to have extreme difficulties fitting in and are I feel very likely to feel badly let down when they discover Merkel's streets aren't paved with gold and there's growing hostility towards them as their numbers rise and the effects are felt.
This is inevitable I'm afraid, it's not palatable and we all wish it wasn't true but it is. No amount of EU claptrap can supress what ordinary people feel about this situation and it's only a matter of time before the serious trouble starts, there's more tension between various migrants groups and host communities and indeed between nations.
I really didn't think I'd make my mind up about the EU referendum until the last minute, hoping to see some evidence of unity and common sense over coming months. Fat chance! What's been allowed to happen has made my mind up. I will be voting out, not because I feel that will be a panacea for all our ills (far from it - there will be massive challenges) but because the EU has once again proved itself to be fatally flawed and is IMHO going to fall apart all on its own at some point. When it does that I'd rather be outside with the benefit of the time we've had in which to have forged new links elsewhere. |
Nice pair of blinkers you're wearing there
Did the EU cause this crisis? Answer NO
Are the EU trying their best to resolve this crisis? NO
Have you put forward one solution to the crisis despite being asked to multiple times? NO
Are you more interested in having your little rants? Most certainly!!
You are the true product of Thatcherism, A perfect example of so long as I'm all right jack screw everybody else.
You have no concept and no wish to assist a fellow human being.