[Osem]

I think what some people here are deliberately avoiding is reality. The reality which comes from large numbers of desperate people, a proportion of whom will pose problems to our society in one way or another whether that be terrorism, criminality, a refusal to integrate or whatever. It's all very well conjuring up images of vulnerable and genuine refugees but don't use those to try to mask the rest and the very serious problems they potentially pose for our society. Right now. we are seeing the start of serious social disorder where these large numbers of migrants are heading. Those still on the move and refusing to be processed in the safe countries they've passed through have decided what they want and are hell bent on getting it to the extent that they will force their way across borders and confront those whose job it is to stop them. I'm sorry but IMHO no migrant has the right to do that, including refugees. However deserving a refugee may be, that status doesn't confer on them the right to choose which rules they obey and which they don't once they've reached safety. The danger we face here is that those migrants whose intentions aren't positive are mingling freely with large numbers desperate and vulnerable people who are likely to be susceptible to all manner of misinformation and malicious behaviour including, even, forms of radicalisation, coercion and abuse. I can't imagine a more fertile feeding ground for those who wish to destroy our way of life and for that reason we have to get to grips with what's going on before it's too late, if we're not already past that point. We can all have sympathy for the genuine refugees try to help on a personal and governmental level but we cannot allow migrants to 'invade' the EU and that is effectively what's happening. What we need to do is ensure the genuine refugees have safe places to go as close to their homelands as possible and make it known that those who flout the rules will be classed and treated as economic migrants and never be allowed to remain.

I'm still waiting for anyone from the 'let them in regardless' brigade to answer the question at what point can we take no more and how do we then stop others from following? Germany is proof of what happens when you open flood gates, it's easy - closing them again isn't!