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Osem · 24-06-2015, 11:43

Illegal immigrants who're under the radar get none clearly, unless they're fiddling the system somehow i.e. via false documentation.

The number of asylum seekers, however, includes those whose claims will and have been turned down and during that process, which may take many years, they are entitled to the benefits and support detailed in the link above. Those whose claims are rejected are by definition illegal yet they will have received housing and support whilst going through the various processes, appeals etc. open to them. IMHO anyone who claims asylum here having passed through other safe countries is technically an illegal migrant, having deliberately chosen not to follow the correct procedures. There is no right for asylum seekers to pick and choose where they go. The migrants camped out in Calais have not claimed asylum there, they're clearly determined to get into the UK and no doubt some will claim asylum immediately and others will disappear into the underworld and take their chances. Of course those who claim to be under age and qualify as unaccompanied minors will be treated as a priority and taken into care. As I type I'm listening to a local authority social care worker on LBC explaining that in his experience about 30% of those who claim to be underage are not. According to him the age assessment process is fraught with problems and one of the reasons so many of them claim to be under 16 even when they're patently not.

Many illegals only claim asylum once they've been caught and they do this in an attempt to further delay the process and by so doing hope that they will build family relationships etc. here and qualify to stay. The question isn't whether any of this is understandable (it is), the question is can we carry on allowing it to happen indefinitely because the more who come and are allowed to stay, the more will inevitably follow and the harder it will be to stop them.

The absence of ID cards and a requirement to carry them in the UK is another factor which makes the UK appealing when compared to France.

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Osem Inactive Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Right here! Posts: 22,315	Re: Unstoppable migration? Illegal immigrants who're under the radar get none clearly, unless they're fiddling the system somehow i.e. via false documentation. The number of asylum seekers, however, includes those whose claims will and have been turned down and during that process, which may take many years, they are entitled to the benefits and support detailed in the link above. Those whose claims are rejected are by definition illegal yet they will have received housing and support whilst going through the various processes, appeals etc. open to them. IMHO anyone who claims asylum here having passed through other safe countries is technically an illegal migrant, having deliberately chosen not to follow the correct procedures. There is no right for asylum seekers to pick and choose where they go. The migrants camped out in Calais have not claimed asylum there, they're clearly determined to get into the UK and no doubt some will claim asylum immediately and others will disappear into the underworld and take their chances. Of course those who claim to be under age and qualify as unaccompanied minors will be treated as a priority and taken into care. As I type I'm listening to a local authority social care worker on LBC explaining that in his experience about 30% of those who claim to be underage are not. According to him the age assessment process is fraught with problems and one of the reasons so many of them claim to be under 16 even when they're patently not. Many illegals only claim asylum once they've been caught and they do this in an attempt to further delay the process and by so doing hope that they will build family relationships etc. here and qualify to stay. The question isn't whether any of this is understandable (it is), the question is can we carry on allowing it to happen indefinitely because the more who come and are allowed to stay, the more will inevitably follow and the harder it will be to stop them. The absence of ID cards and a requirement to carry them in the UK is another factor which makes the UK appealing when compared to France.