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Originally Posted by Damien
The difference being the party members can deliver that judgement in the leadership election itself. 
I think the 'party they should be' is the problem. Some want a centrist party closer to what New Labour were and others want a union-loving socialist party. It's hard to know what Labour could do.
Who is a Labour voter? Is it people working in public services? That can only get you so far. They then probably need people who are considered 'working class' in the former industrial communities where they used to be so strong but these demographics are probably better spoken to by the Tories policy on personal taxation (Lib Dem idea btw  ), fuel duty freezes or UKIP and their policy on immigration.
I don't actually know to be honest.
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What you mean like the unions did with Miliband?
Labour's 'us and them' approach is out of date and does them no favours now the power of the unions isn't what it was. They rely heavily on perpetrating the simplistic notion of rich v. poor, north v. south, x v. y and people have heard it all before. Moving to the left has been a disaster but it'll take a long time before I (and I suspect many other people) will trust them again, no matter what they claim to be.