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Old 10-05-2015, 17:33   #38
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Re: Who will lead the Labour Party?

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Originally Posted by denphone View Post
And you could say the same about Thatcher as well.
Not really, Major won the election after Thatcher was removed.

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Originally Posted by Damien View Post
I don't think he lost them the last two. If he were that much of a hinderance he wouldn't have won the third term. Miliband rejected New Labour and moved to the left and subsequently lost by a bigger margin than Brown did. That certainly wasn't on Blair.
He got a third term because nobody would have voted for Brown and the rot wasn't plain to see at that point. Labour were still buying votes and spending cash they didn't have.

There's no doubt his move to the left and the unions cost Miliband but it was the economy and immigration which I believe did Labour the most harm and Bliar/Brown were responsible for that. Miliband just compounded the 'trust' problem he inherited from them.
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