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Originally Posted by Chris
Idi ... You describe normal family relationships, as they have existed for millennia and continue to exist today, in the UK and throughout the world, and then you characterise those relationships as "manipulation" and "dangerous". Clearly you can't see that while ostensibly arguing from a libertarian viewpoint, to demonise a family in such a way is to invite sanction and intervention - which would be authoritarian in the extreme. We are simply going to have to agree to disagree on this. I can at least take comfort from the fact that nobody in a position of power in this country (or anywhere in the developed world for that matter) has yet attempted to demonise families in the way you do, and, for the foreseeable future, parents will continue to enjoy their self-evident freedom to instruct their children as they see fit.
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correct, families have existed with gods unquestionably at their roots for thousands of years. and over those years, how many people have had to die in the name of those gods? because one group doesn't believe in the same group and neither is willing to question or change their mindset. I'm not saying that religion is the reason for all those killings, but it has been used as an excuse, which due to Social Proofing (one of the 6 principles of influence), the majority of that group would therefore support the actions of those who conquered in the name of Allah, God, or whatever they used at the time (consider the Greeks, Egyptians, Romans and so on). And the reason no one even considered that those murders were unjust or un-necessary is because to question that would imply the questioning of their deity. and to do that would bring on punishment by an authoritative figure or that group (another principle of influence).
Unfortunately, even today we see people using deities as excuses to murder and terrorise. again, I'm not saying these people are good examples of faith, but they become indoctrinated into their groups
in the name of their deity. and because others in those group commit these horrendous acts, they find it acceptable to act in such a manner too.
Of course, this is all just an example of how those 6 principles can be used to manipulate people. and I for one think that to be dangerous. again, you are missing the point that if one finds faith themselves, on their own terms, that is absolutely fine. I know if can bring great comfort and joy to many millions of people. it's when an ideology manipulates someone into following that belief system "or else..." when things are bad. to me, this includes those who are unable to think clearly or objectively themselves, such as the example I gave earlier of the elderly person who is manipulated into giving away their life savings (please read back for this - it's in this thread if you wish to find it). And those most at risk of being unable to make informed, unbiased and clear judgements are children. no one can argue with that, surely? the main caregiver to the child is the one trusted source for all knowledge for may years. So if that main caregiver decides that faith is what the child will have, it will follow without question. before too long, as described in the GoT duologue earlier, they will stop questioning that faith and believe it to the only way.
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Originally Posted by Russ
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no thank you - I'm not here for points. it's why I hide them under my avatar. and before you question if that is because I'm in negative, I am not. but then, you can probably see that as an admin anyway.