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Originally Posted by Russ
Again I've said there's nothing wrong with questioning. However Dawkins' agenda runs far deeper than simply questioning.
Regarding my friend who survived a suicide attempt. Unless he kept something hidden from me for 15 years he had nothing in his past that would have given off suicidal tendencies. Having Dawkins tell him everything he'd lived for over the previous 10 years being a 'lie' is what pushed him over the edge.
You say for me not to take Dawkins' words personally. If you make it your mission to try to destroy a part of my life that had helped me through many potentially devastating situation over the year you're damn right I'm going to take it personally.
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how could someone with an undiagnosed or unrecognised mental, psychological or emotional issue be expected to tell you about something they would be aware of themselves? even the insane think they are sane. (not saying your friend is in any way insane - it was just a comment to highlight how an individual may not recognise they have an issue, like those with anger problems or alcoholism)
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Originally Posted by Russ
If you longer on the notion that religion "can't prove" anything then it suggests you have a lack of the very basic understandings of what 'faith' is.
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on the contrary...
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Originally Posted by idi banashapan
as discussed, 'belief', 'truth' and 'fact' are mutually exclusive.
Belief does not necessarily require any solid, physical or tangible evidence.
Truth can be borne from a fact or a belief. for example, if I told you my car is blue, you would have no real reason to question that and so would likely accept that as the truth. if you were then to tell someone else my car is blue, you would believe that you were telling them the truth, when in fact, my car is white. you mis-informed that person, but you were not intentionally misleading them. you were telling them what you thought was true.
Fact requires measurable, tangible evidence. it cannot be disputed. 2 + 2 is 4. there is no changing that.
The problem I believe Dawkins has with faith (belief), is that the rules.....
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Originally Posted by Russ
Intententionally taking my point out of context. You knew exactly what I meant.
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yeah, fair enough - the pilot comment was a little facetious! I apologise. but the question regarding irony stands.
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Originally Posted by Russ
The former.
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you see - it's this sort of thing (rabid atheist comment) that loses you credit with me. you're ok saying this stuff, but if we called you a mental sky-pixie worshipper, you go bat-s**t crazy on us!!