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Originally Posted by Maggy J
You do all realise that many children reject that which their parents believe.It does not always follow that children remain 'indoctrinated' by anything their parents say or do.  |
which is why it is so important that you allow the choice to be their own. you hand them the information, and let them create their own conclusions.
indoctrination (in this case into religion) differs however;
Authority
it will involve a level of manipulation by the Authoritative figure(s) - be that a Pope, Vicar, Care-Giver, Cleric, whatever. there may even be punishment if the subject does not follow the code, such as we saw only this week (
http://bit.ly/1JZBYyz).
Reciprocation
The child may also be told that the religion will give them support, love and reward if they simply abide by the rules and beliefs that the religion sets out.
Commitment / Consistency
If the child openly agrees, or is baptised, or follows through with any ceremony that the religion deems necessary as part of an inclusion or right of passage, the child has then openly committed to that faith and will be far more inclined to be consistent with the commitment they have made.
Scarcity
Some religions state that the places for eternal reward after death are scarce, so you must strictly follow the rules set out to have any chance of 'getting in'.
Likeability
The religion welcomes warmly new-comers and aims to give support and love to members within the group, much like any group of peers that like-minded people are member of.
Social Proofing
If a family is already part of a religious group, there will be a tendency for the younger members of the family to follow suit. once at the place of worship or when surrounded by those of a similar mindset, everyone that the child sees has similar interests and beliefs. when everyone else is doing it, who is the child to question why? they are far more likely to follow the lead of the adults in the group.
and there we have the 6 principles of influence at play within a religious setting. of course, not all communities will use these forcefully or manipulatively. not all religions will use all 6 principles, and if they do, they will be varying degrees of intensity. but none-the-less, the principles are at play. equally, militant atheists may well do the same to put children off religion. this is equally as bad because it does not allow a full view or fair narrative in order to base a sound judgement.
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Originally Posted by Russ
lol ok
What do you expect me to say? I’d lock them in a room and refuse them food and water until they recant their heretic ways?
I’d be disappointed and hope they see through his BS.
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Maybe get them a copy of the brilliant "The Dawkins Delusion" instead.
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I don't think Papa Smurf's question was in any way intended to be a personal attack. it was a valid question which could and should have led to a mature and adult, considerate response. your answer appears to have the hallmarks of a defensive response, which I mentioned in an earlier post on this thread as being something we should all avoid doing.
but open up your answer. why do you believe it to be BS? what specifically has Richard Dawkins said that makes you so angry or upset? we need this information to debate. giving short, nondescript, single line answers gets us nowhere. let's use this debate forum to debate, and debate well. asking questions and listening to the responses, then responding with consideration. how else can we possible begin to understand another's point of view otherwise?