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Originally Posted by rhyds

It all boils down to one simple fact.

The over 65s vote.

The under 25s don't.

This.

Now the under 25s, indeed many under 35s and some over that, need to stop complaining and get working to pay their boomer landlords' buy-to-let mortgages, taxes for retiree welfare and healthcare, and more for goods and services to help plug deficits in pension schemes they couldn't dream of being members of.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

not to worry by the time you get to my age you'll have a different opinion

Hopefully he will have more empathy and integrity than that.

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Originally Posted by Kursk

The juxtaposition seems irrelevant unless you feel the Cons are robbing Peter to pay Paul?

There's a total welfare spending cap, which excludes pensions and some unemployment benefits, so some element of robbing Peter to pay Paul with the rest is certainly going to happen.

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Originally Posted by Damien

I think it's hard to take the Tories seriously.

Fixed that for you Damien.

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Why should pensioners be means tested? They paid into the pot all their lives on the understanding that they would get X amount paid back to them when they retired. It would be unfair to now move the goalposts.
Young people on the other hand, haven't been promised the whole 'cradle to grave' thing

So you'd be against, say, the pension age going up for example, or indeed any kind of welfare cuts?

I mean if it's unfair to move the goal posts for one group surely it's only reasonable that it's unfair to move them for any others? We've all been promised things by politicians after all, then either they haven't delivered them or a subsequent government have taken them away.

There is zero moral case to be made for treating any age groups differently. The manner in which the coalition have conducted themselves is purely about cynical politics - pensioners vote in large numbers and overwhelmingly vote Tory.

This is a problem for the young - they need to vote or they'll get trodden on.