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23-02-2015, 16:20

Most pensioners do deserve their benefits but to universally give a benefit when it is not needed is a simple way to reduce the bill a bit and would make the changes to the system look fairer even if they weren't. There is a sizeable group of pensioners that do not need the pension they get from the state and wouldn't even miss it if it were gone how can it be right when we're constantly told we need to keep hitting some groups but not others. If the system cannot be universally fair then it needs to be properly reformed this is just the conservative version of using the system for their own ends the very thing that has created the problem in the first place

This whole "welfare reform" act the tories and disgustingly the lib dems have been selling the last five years is a joke it was cost cutting on the most vulnerable and weakest groups in our society and by and large the public have said and done nothing to stop it in fact they got behind it. Safety nets are there not for the planned way you think your life will go but for those times when unplanned disaster strikes and as a so called developed nation we shoud have one but it needs to better then it is and less widely used as it is.

No reasonable person in the UK argues the benefits system is not fulfiling the role it was intended or that for a small number has become a choice rather then the safety net it was always meant to be. But the system is what politicians have made it and as the years and parites have gone by they made changes to the system to better allow them too misuse it as they needed too and then pretend they will sort the problem out which none of them have either the intention or real will to do. We need reform and we need it badly but people have to take off the blinkers look into it and see a con job when it's happening and stop complaining that politicians treat us like idiots when we allow them to get away with it so much.

More people this year will have no party to vote for because they are all a gurgled mess in the centre ground they all spout the same populist rubbish to thier targeted demographic apart from ed milliband and while i never liked him or agree with much of what he says he has raised his head above the cosy little wall and said things that differentiate himself from the rest. This country is in a mess and none of them are interested in really sorting out many of the problems we have because they are not affected by it directly and their own vested interests do not rely on it so no solutions just more hot air for the foreseeable future.

How long will it take the public to stop letting these crooks at westminster play us off against each other and start actually demanding they become the public servants they are supposed to be rather then a bunch of trough swillers looking after themselves and thier friends sometimes we really are more idiotic then they even think.

23-02-2015, 16:20	#15
RizzyKing Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Cameron: No means testing for pensioner benefits Most pensioners do deserve their benefits but to universally give a benefit when it is not needed is a simple way to reduce the bill a bit and would make the changes to the system look fairer even if they weren't. There is a sizeable group of pensioners that do not need the pension they get from the state and wouldn't even miss it if it were gone how can it be right when we're constantly told we need to keep hitting some groups but not others. If the system cannot be universally fair then it needs to be properly reformed this is just the conservative version of using the system for their own ends the very thing that has created the problem in the first place This whole "welfare reform" act the tories and disgustingly the lib dems have been selling the last five years is a joke it was cost cutting on the most vulnerable and weakest groups in our society and by and large the public have said and done nothing to stop it in fact they got behind it. Safety nets are there not for the planned way you think your life will go but for those times when unplanned disaster strikes and as a so called developed nation we shoud have one but it needs to better then it is and less widely used as it is. No reasonable person in the UK argues the benefits system is not fulfiling the role it was intended or that for a small number has become a choice rather then the safety net it was always meant to be. But the system is what politicians have made it and as the years and parites have gone by they made changes to the system to better allow them too misuse it as they needed too and then pretend they will sort the problem out which none of them have either the intention or real will to do. We need reform and we need it badly but people have to take off the blinkers look into it and see a con job when it's happening and stop complaining that politicians treat us like idiots when we allow them to get away with it so much. More people this year will have no party to vote for because they are all a gurgled mess in the centre ground they all spout the same populist rubbish to thier targeted demographic apart from ed milliband and while i never liked him or agree with much of what he says he has raised his head above the cosy little wall and said things that differentiate himself from the rest. This country is in a mess and none of them are interested in really sorting out many of the problems we have because they are not affected by it directly and their own vested interests do not rely on it so no solutions just more hot air for the foreseeable future. How long will it take the public to stop letting these crooks at westminster play us off against each other and start actually demanding they become the public servants they are supposed to be rather then a bunch of trough swillers looking after themselves and thier friends sometimes we really are more idiotic then they even think.