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Originally Posted by passingbat
You're hung up on the licence fee for the BBC but fail to understand that you are paying a similar fee for commercial channels via paying for a products advertising cost.
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i'm not hung up about anything. I'm simply speculating on what is to come.
I mentioned the licence fee because by abolishing it, those who cannot afford a subscription now would have some money to use for streaming services instead.
Your reference to where the money comes from initially to fund commercial channels is not relevant to this argument because there will always be a proportion of money put into budgets to fund advertising.
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Originally Posted by harry_hitch
A number of points here, but I'll be brief:
1. Yes, the discussion is how linear TV may be withdrawn or reduced in the future to be replaced by streaming services. However, this does not prevent discussions arising from that.
True, but that was not part of discussion before hand. Atlantic is a linear channel you clearly want. Are you saying VM should just get the Now TV app instead of Atlantic? By your argument getting Atlantic will, in future, be pointless because it may be withdrawn (along with a host of other channels) sooner than people may think. Why not just tr and get us the app and force those who want it to pay for the content?!?
2. Yes, advert free, but realistically, ads will always be present. I'd be happy fast forwarding through them or having two or three at the beginning of a streaming session, but not interrupted as we have to put up with now on the commercial channels.
Well that is an oxymoron in the first line, how can you want something ad free, but admit adverts will always there. Also, how do you fast forward through some of the ads online? I am frequently forced to hear/see adverts I don't want to whilst browsing websites or before trailers. Sure you get to skip the odd ad, but they are quite rare. You don't have to put with them on commercial channels, plan your viewing and recordings well enough and you won't need to see adverts. I will only have to start watching the recording of Broadchurch at 9:30 to skip the adverts.
3. I'm not blaming VM for not being able to get Sky Atlantic. I blame Sky for that, as most of us on here do.
Fair enough, I obviously misread your statement.
4. I don't think most people want to access their programmes from a whole range of equipment. Far better to have it on just one box. Now TV doesn't work for me at present as I've mentioned before.
True, I don't, but that is not an option currently
5. As far as free TV is concerned, we currently have to pay for the TV licence. If people only paid for what they watched (rather than be compulsorily charged for channels they may not watch), it would not necessarily be more expensive. Have you ever thought about what it would cost you if you only paid for the programmes you watched? I'd save a fortune on Sky Movies for a start!
I never said TV was free, I said it was FTA. How are some people going to pay extra for shows if they simply can not afford to? Lets say a series of CSI lasts 12 episodes (I have no idea how many it is) and each episode costs roughly £1.90 ()like it is an amazon/itunes). People would have to find roughly £6-£7 a month for just one show. Times that by 3 shows and you are looking at £20 a month. Many people simply can not afford that, or simply don't care enough, to pay that sort of money.
With regards Sky Movies, you could probably save quite a bit of money by going down the love film by post route. You can have two discs out at a time and if you are careful enough you can always one disc in the house and another in post coming to you. I appreciate it is a bit more inconvenient, but you get all the latest release long before Sky Movies and you get a much bigger selection of movies too.
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Again, you are bringing up adverts, but you have just posted saying they will always be around. 
I don't think many have disagreed things will change, It is just that they don't think it will happen the way you think it may happen. |
1. It's the programmes on Sky Atlantic that I want, not necessarily the channel.
2. My complaint about the adverts related to the fact that they are so prevalent on our commercial TV stations. I could put up with two or three at the beginning of a programme, as long as the programme was not interrupted, and I could put up with adverts adorning a list of what's available on the content provider's site. Currently, our access on TV to Netflix is advert free.
3/4. We agree!
5. It's rather expensive that way. It is more likely that people will subscribe to one or more content providers, which is not very expensive. As I said, those with limited budgets would simply pick their content using the licence fee money that would no longer be payable (under my scenario). Netflix costs rather less than £20 a month! In the future there will be content providers that provide a full range of entertainment, including news, sport, films and TV series, for less than we currently pay on our TV licence, which is double the current Netflix fee. As for the Lovefilm thing, I'm so over DVDs! Streaming is much simpler (as long as the technology works).
By the way, and once again, I'm not advocating a personal preference for ditching linear channels. I simply think that in time (how long may be debatable), people will start to see that streaming is a better solution to quality viewing than broadcast TV.
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Originally Posted by muppetman11
For someone who champions On Demand almost daily I find it strange your so against a decent streaming device what offers you all the services you want.
Let's be honest whilst the TIVO is an ok PVR its far from the complete product if streaming is your main interest.
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Can you actually name a streaming device that shows all the streaming video providers? At the moment, from what I can see, if you want Netflix, you can't have Amazon Prime, and vice versa.
Anyway, as I keep saying, I want all of this on one device. For me, the TIVO is the most appropriate device to add these streaming services.