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Old 30-01-2015, 17:27   #42
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Re: Torys to cut housing benefit of young

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet View Post
Right. So what does that say about every other age group up to the age of 54, all of whose home ownership rates have also fallen since 1992?







I have actually just realised I posted those same graphs to you in another post along similar-ish lines, where you were supporting government cash being used to subsidise the wealthier, not poorer, retirees. Oddly the costs of that policy appear to outweigh the savings of this one but that's fine, right?

I hope for your sake that you have saved adequately for your own retirement and have enough for private healthcare throughout it, as given your willingness to shaft the 'feckless' young we may all find they collectively grow a pair and return the favour to us at some point.

Beyond that I've nothing more to say to you on the matter. There are of course feckless members of the younger generation but, as the Roman texts show, there always have been, and there is absolutely no reason to think this generation is worse than any other beyond the prejudice that members of every generation seem to hold towards the previous one. Sorry to say that your personal experience means nothing. The whole point of progress is to try and give our kids a better life than us, not complain about how feckless and hopeless they are and do what we can to drag them down to what was our level 20 years ago.

Maybe if we treated them better rather than telling them their exams are too easy, they're thick, they're lazy, etc, they would do better.

Maybe if we invest more in them we will all do better.
You really do let yourself down sometimes you know. I have merely responded to your persistent attacks on older people which wear a bit thin when you refuse to accept that many of them have only got where they are by forfeiting the sort of things most young people today take for granted - many examples of which I have given. You on the other hand lump all older people into one group and like to tell us all how well off they all are and how they've somehow enjoyed the best of everything only to leave the youth to foot the bill. Sorry but that's patent nonsense. Tell my mum and dad how well off they are after a lifetime of scrimping and saving and taking bugger all out of the system. Nobody helped them, they did it all on their own.

Given that I have two teens I'm hardly likely to want to see them 'shafted' by anyone am I? My youngest will not be able to decide for himself but my eldest has made his own choices, he earns what he does, saves what he does and spends what he does. If he decides to spend his money on clothes, booze and holidays he'll be reliant on us for longer than I'd like. We may or may not fulfil his expectations in that regard. If on the other hand he decides to live at home, save for a deposit etc. we will do our best to help him because doing precisely that is the only reason we have what we do. Yes my lad has a loan and will have to work hard to get on the property ladder but so what? I doubt his life will bear any relation to the life my father in particular endured throughout which if he didn't work we didn't eat.

Luckily I have made provision for the future and one of the reasons for that is that I want to help my kids if at all possible. If I'd had the cars and holidays I could have had, I wouldn't have been able to it. Adequate or not well who knows? Crystal balls are in short supply around these parts but that was my choice. I'm not whining about what I've done, it was my choice and I'm proud that I followed my parents' example and saved for the future. I would hope my eldest does likewise, it's his life however and if he wants the trappings and bling then he won't get much sympathy from me when he tells me he can't afford the mortgage for a flat.

Anyway I sense you're as likely to moderate your views as I am to alter mine so forgive me for not indulging your agenda further. Best of luck with all that bitterness you appear to have.
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