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Originally Posted by truthspeaker

Islam don't tell Muslim to kill innocent people.

which kill innocent people, are committing a major sin.

Indeed. Just those who 'wage war' on Allah and 'cause corruption'.

Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

Which could easily be taken to mean that I, for my comments on this forum, should be killed / crucified / amputated / exiled.

Those who are innocent, remain neutral, but don't believe are merely subjugated and taxed.

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

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Originally Posted by truthspeaker

"If any religion had the chance of ruling over England, nay Europe within the next hundred years, it could be Islam."

"I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Savior of Humanity."

"I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today."

George Bernard Shaw quoted accurately as making the above statement in a public speech by the authors. It was published in Singapore in 1936 and is rarely available in the USA or Europe today.

http://heavenslights.blogspot.co.uk/...ine-islam.html

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Salaam Alaikum, for the naysayers out there... George Bernard Shaw did not write "The Genuine Islam" but he is quoted accurately as making the above statement in a public speech by the authors. It was published in Singapore in 1936 and is rarely available in the USA or Europe today. I have seen a copy in a library here in the Philippines.

I hope this clears up the confusion.

4/01/2008 8:23 AM

Let me help you out here.

George Bernard Shaw, 1933, in a letter to the Rev. Ensor Walters:

http://books.google.co.uk/books/abou...AJ&redir_esc=y

Islam is very different, being ferociously intolerant. What I may call Manifold Monotheism becomes in the minds of very simple folk an absurdly polytheistic idolatry, just as European peasants not only worship Saints and the Virgin as Gods, but will fight fanatically for their faith in the ugly little black doll who is the Virgin of their own Church against the black doll of the next village. When the Arabs had run this sort of idolatry to such extremes [that] they did this without black dolls and worshipped any stone that looked funny, Mahomet rose up at the risk of his life and insulted the stones shockingly, declaring that there is only one God, Allah, the glorious, the great… And there was to be no nonsense about toleration. You accepted Allah or you had your throat cut by someone who did accept him, and who went to Paradise for having sent you to Hell.

Further: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...-1226676192844

The suggestion that Shaw may have written a book entitled The Genuine Islam has its origins in an interview between Shaw and Muslim propagandist Maulana Mohammed Abdul Aleem Siddiqui published in a Muslim periodical in January 1936.

The interview took place in Mombasa, Kenya, some time between April 10 and 20, 1935, and copies of the periodical remain.

It contains a quotation which describes Mohammed as the "saviour of humanity" and Islam as having "wonderful vitality" and "the chance to rule of Britain, nay Europe, in the next hundred years", but these are not recorded as the words of Shaw.

The quotation appears in a separate quotation box without attribution, and not in the main body of the interview.

However, the main body of the interview does feature Shaw challenging Siddiqui from a rationalist perspective.

"How can you possibly present the picture of Heaven and Hell, which is portrayed in the Koran, in a manner convincing to persons conversant with science, whose minds are inured to accept nothing without visible or palpable proof?" Shaw asks.

Another account of the conversation between Shaw and Siddiqui, published in the Tanganyika Herald of May 3, 1935, does not mention the purported quotes from Shaw, but quotes him commenting on a lecture Siddiqui had given.

"You spoke on Philosophy of Peace, but as a Muslim it would have been more appropriate if you had delivered a lecture on the Philosophy of War, for Islam doubtless was spread at the point of the sword," Shaw is quoted as having said.

Next propaganda piece, please.

You appear to be struggling to make an independent point, are parroting other people's views without any kind of skepticism or criticism and, indeed, parroting their words verbatim.

I can't think why you'd be in the habit of doing that.