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Old 21-01-2015, 16:20   #30
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Re: who is Muhammad (peace be upon him)

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Originally Posted by truthspeaker View Post
And about Freedom of Speech

We want to know the boundaries and limits to the term "Freedom of Speech" in the UK.

When Jews are ridiculed, it's Anti-semitism. When ethnic minorities are targeted, it's racism.
When Islam is defamed, it's "Freedom of Speech?
We call on the British Government to draw the lines for us, what's acceptable, what's not?
We want a common law for ALL.
We want to detach ourselves from these never-ending Double-standards.
You have a common law, there are no double standards - every religion is free to be criticised. Judaism, Hinduism, Christianity and, yes, Islam. Jews are a race, racism can only be directed towards a race. Islam isn't a race, more of a political ideology blended with a religion.

If you don't like that we have no blasphemy law regarding your Prophet feel free to emmigrate somewhere there is one. 95% of the UK population don't follow Islam, and apart from some useful idiots the bulk of that 95% couldn't care less how 'offended' you are.

If your Prophet and Allah are all holy and powerful I'm sure they won't be at all bothered by the actions of cartoonists, news outlets, or whatever.

Or are they so petty minded that they take offence at the actions of a mortal whose life is over in the blink of an eye in the grand scheme and who, if scripture is to be believed, can be tormented for all eternity in the afterlife?

If they are you may want to consider exactly what you think is so great about them.

I find your views of freedom of speech offensive as you've no idea what you're talking about. Boohoo, I'm going to run off crying as someone offended me.

http://tellmamauk.org/ in case you want to report Islamophobia and racism.

For what it's worth I'm not Islamophobic, I'm moronophobic and avowedly secular. I couldn't care less what religion you are, act like a tool and I'll happily describe you as one.

Incidentally, George Bernard Shaw never wrote anything called 'The Genuine Islam' and such a book does not appear to exist. Do try to be somewhat more thorough in your research than going to the clearly unbiased website Prophet of Islam.

EDIT: Ah I see where this came from, too.

https://www.facebook.com/MissionDawa...53113153334739

Linking to this petition:

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/73584

Well I can help with this, no need for government intervention.

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We want a legal, binding definition of the term: "Freedom of Speech and Expression". What are the boundaries? What is right, what is wrong? What will get me arrested, what is my right?
There are a whole bunch of existing laws dealing with exactly this, hence why racist and hate speech are illegal. Don't break the existing laws you're exercising reasonable right to freedom of speech.

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Citing an example: If drawing defaming cartoons of the Prophet of Islam is considered Freedom of expression, not Islamophobia, then what are the boundaries for "Freedom of Speech", which are especially needed for publishers and journalists. How much defamation can be accepted?
Well, also clearly stated in law - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_defamation_law

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Another example: the Hash-tag #KillAllMuslims was trending on twitter, but was again considered to be "Freedom of Speech". I would have considered that 'inciting genocide'.
Indeed - that is illegal for a couple of reasons.

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Why is there so much debate about what constitutes "Freedom of Speech"?

The Government must work to remove these doubts! What are the definitions? That's all we want to know
The definitions are quite clear and none of them protect Islam from criticism. Cry more.

EDIT: Or of course have a bunch of violent extremists enabled by millions of tacit supporters (this isn't Islamophobia either - numerous surveys have indicated that if anything my saying 'millions' is understatement) and cause media outlets to self-censor out of concern for the safety of their staff.

Who'd have thought indoctrinating believers into placing the Prophet, dead 1400 years, above the value of the closest human lives to them, let alone the lives of others, alongside considering non-believers animals only tolerated if they pay a tax for their non-belief would encourage radicalisation if the Prophet were besmirched?
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