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Old 10-01-2015, 17:31   #251
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Re: Mass shooting in Paris

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Originally Posted by Maggy J View Post
The real point of free speech is that everyone is entitled to it..and they are all entitled to my defending their right to free speech.What they are not entitled to is me defending their right to use violence as a response.. but they have a right to respond using any other legal method and I'll defend that too.
Quite.

Free speech can and does cause discomfort. This doesn't mean, contrary to one opinion on this thread, that anything that may cause discomfort shouldn't be permitted.

Fundamentally offence is not given, it is taken.

In turn how a person or group respond having taken offence is their decision. Everyone in the chain is responsible for their actions, everyone in the chain makes judgement calls.

If we start banning certain topics for fear of repercussions where do we stop? When we have nothing left that anyone could possibly take offence at?

---------- Post added at 18:31 ---------- Previous post was at 18:25 ----------

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Originally Posted by Russ View Post
As far as I can see nobody has said the media shouldn't be printing anything along those lines. The message I'm getting from all this (and is my opinion) is if they do print satire and things ridiculing an emotive subject they have to be aware of possible (and of course totally unjustified) reprisals.
Sorry, Russ, but that's exactly what was said.

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you can of course criticise or mock a religion no one has ever said any different ,what you shouldn't do is deliberately set out to cause offence or insult
It was expanded on but either said poster has a poor grasp of the English language, given their use of a conjunction as the next word indicating a new clause, or they are saying exactly that:

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what you shouldn't do is deliberately set out to cause offence or insult
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Satire is a genre of literature, and sometimes graphic and performing arts, in which vices, follies, abuses, and shortcomings are held up to ridicule, ideally with the intent of shaming individuals, corporations, government or society itself, into improvement.
Tough to do without deliberately setting out to cause offence or insult, don't you think?
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