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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Checking the electric bill wasn't done as part of the experiment sadly.

It could easily be checked retrospectively, such information is held by the power companies.

I am not qualified to comment further on points 1 and 2.

I had interpreted your "Easy." statement as such that you were vouching for that article. Fair enough.

I'm not sure what the assumption is in noting that no alpha, beta or gamma radiation was found.

Point 4 seems reasonable - conspicuous by its absence is the breakdown of the isotopes of copper produced.

These two are linked - either this is working by some entirely new physics, not fusion, or there's something up but the point stands. The lack of discussion of copper byproducts is a huge omission. Given this process allegedly results in copper being produced why isn't this in the results? It's easy for the cynic to think that it's because the copper produced matches natural copper in its isotope ratio and, hence, is an additive not produced by the reaction.

Point 5 likewise - these aren't independent scientists and Rossi was actively involved in the experiments.

I have good advice here - and you'll read it from some others on the internet too (and lots of nonsense in between). Just forget about all that other nuke stuff. All that matters in this LENR claim, is what is going in, and what is coming out - everything else is just distraction. Energy balance only.
It might take the next 100 years to figure out what is really going on, but the first thing is to determine if anything actually is going on.

Our aim is to generate energy, its precise mechanism of generation (LENR or other new source) is completely moot. We just want the power, and first we need to determine if there is another source of power not being applied (via fuel or electricity).

If some kind of fusion is occurring, then clearly it isn't hot fusion (as it can't be as we'd need over 100,000,000 deg C to even start thinking hot fusion) so one has to let go of the circumstances and nature of hot fusion. Additionally, if the mechanism is fusion, then the existing fusion models are clearly wrong or incomplete. This includes all (hot fusion) references to alpha, beta and particularly gamma radiation.

In science, observation trumps theory. Theory exists to be disproved and replaced by more refined theories at a later date. Its inevitable, especially for a civilization (I use the term loosely) that is really only just getting started in science.

The problem with a lot of academics in science, is that they are often old, and too set in their ways - they are not "out of the box" type lateral thinkers.
A good scientist should always investigate claims, not sneer at and deride and attempt to label other people with new ideas as crackpots.

They did this to many notable people in history, and the so-called scientists were wrong, such was the case with Nikola Tesla and many other successful inventors.

All hot fusion references to Rossi's machine amount to nothing more than an unnecessary side show, a distraction from the only important aspects of this over unity claim.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

This shouldn't be a problem, should it? Indeed proper, peer-reviewed experimental evidence may greatly assist his attempts to patent the technology.

I'd say that's possibly the quickest, surefire way to lose your technology to a competitor.

His work is still in the development stage, and as long as he can continue to develop his work, he probably doesn't really care too much what you, myself and many others think. There is no real rush, is there from his point of view?

This guy seems like a serial scammer, the E-Cat his latest scam. Really bad news for all those genuinely pursuing LENR as a technology.

Rossi's past is old news, it was the first thing that came up in discussions when he first announced his e-cat. A quick google will bring it all up.

He's a businessman, not a scientist. Plenty of businessmen who have a chequered history are not necessarily serial scammers. Thomas Edison was known to have scammed people (again, a businessman rather than inventor) but he is remembered for inventing many many genuine things.

I can't comment much on Rossi's business history, just the evidence we've already seen.

He's had his work independently verified. The critique I've read (so far) of that is just silly, bordering on the irrational.
Its one thing to be critical, its expected of course. Its completely another to consider everyone else involved in LENR research to be complete idiots and overlooking obvious details, whilst not even questioning one's own critique whilst making some rather obvious blunders in said critique....(in reference to my earlier critique of the rebuttal..)

This LENR claim is not just Rossi's work. There are scientists all over the world looking at this and claiming positive results.

Even NASA has said they've had good results from LENR technology.
MIT physics research students have said so as well, and many many others.

Top of the google results:
http://physicsbuzz.physicscentral.co...ion-folly.html
"NASA's Cold Fusion Folly
I am sad - horrified really - to learn that some NASA scientists have caught cold fusion madness."

Of course NASA has caught cold fusion madness, after all they're just those silly people who put man on the moon...c'mon we all know the moon's made of cheese, right?

I'm still not saying the results are definitely LENR (as I've never worked on such experiments, not yet anyway). But these people can't all be that stupid. There does seem to be some really smart people who are claiming to have measured over-unity with LENR type apparatuses. Something, I believe, is going on - exactly what it is remains to be proven. Either way, I'm still intrigued.