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Originally Posted by Sirius
And people want us to trust that he will give us a referendum
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He will go down in the annals of history as an even bigger liar than Bliar if he doesn't and I really don't think he'd want to deprive Teflon Tone of that dubious honour.
Like it or not, the only realistic way to have any chance of getting an EU referendum any time soon is for people to vote UKIP
where they have a realistic chance of winning and displacing a Same Old Labour or Fib Dem MP in the process and vote Tory everywhere else.
There's no way in the world that UKIP can win enough seats to achieve anything unless the Labour vote is destroyed and they negotiate some sort of pre/post election deal with the Tories. I think the latter scenario is very likely indeed.
One thing is for certain is that a red or yellow vote means a sell out to the EU.
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy
I think he always had that caveat not by the beginning of December It's just the media didn't pick up on it. A classic bit of political double speak. It's why you must always analyse the weasel words.
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He definitely did but to try to be fair there's more to it than that. We had years of Labour brazenly promising this, that, and the other
with no hint of any caveats and look what happened. Whatever he said he'd have been immediately damned. Time will tell to what extent he's damned for good and plumbs Bliar's depths...