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Originally Posted by Sirius
No we have the best of what Brussels allow us to have anything else is forbidden. I say don't pay the bill and call there bluff. If that ends up with a referendum and us leaving the United States of Europe then that's there loss not ours. I have never been given a chance to vote on being part of a United States of Europe and i do want a vote now.
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I think the referendum, should it go ahead, be on this subject and lets leave the subject of immigrants out of it. For what its worth, I don't want to be part of a federal Europe either, but I would like the chance to hear the arguments either way.
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Originally Posted by Osem
I was under the impression that being part of the Euro has kept the price of German exports 'artificially' low and hence been a major boost to their economy.
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But it's a double edged sword, isn't it?
When the sovereign debt crisis happened in countries like Greece, yes the Greeks were buying "cheap" German made trains, helping the German economy, but the Germans also had to fork out for bailing the Greeks out of their own mess...
I wish the euro would simply go away, but its the method the Germans and French have decided to integrate Europe together. Lets see how far it will go. Will the European Central Bank start buying up the debt of Greece, Italy etc? ANd will the Germans really transfer wealth from themselves to countries in Southern Europe? I can't see it happening.
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Originally Posted by spanna
Because we get demonstrably less back per head of population (why did the other countries agree to it otherwise)
As net contributors to the EU your claim that we pay less is a red herring
If we pay £10 in and get £5 back and somebody else pays £15 but gets £20 back, we get a worse deal
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That's the case now, but when we got the rebate it cost us far less and we got more back.
No idea why the other countries agreed to Thatcher's rebate, I'll look it up.