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Originally Posted by denphone
I you want us to go back to being Little England and pull out of the EU then this country will be much worse off in the long run as we are much better off being on the inside negotiating rather then being on the outside without a ounce of influence.
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Where does this Little England excrement come from?
We are the 6th largest economy in the world, and at a similar level in terms of international trade.
What was left of our 'influence' in the EU will be largely destroyed
when QMV kicks in on a number of additional policy areas in a little over a week.
Do you seriously think those EU countries that are net recipients of EU cash could care less about the UK's position on issues? They want their development and solidarity money and vote accordingly in their own national interest.
I find the 'Little England' argument pretty insulting. I entirely see the argument for a free trade bloc in Europe, that makes perfect sense. There is absolutely no argument for the EU as it stands and, in case you hadn't already noticed, all the treaties are geared towards ever increasing integration. There is no negotiation to be had on this point; the constitution of Europe AKA the Lisbon Treaty that Gordon Brown signed in a back room as he was too ashamed of his deception is very clear. The only path as it stands right now to reverse this is to leave.
Pretty ironic that Little Iceland, population less than 330,000, has a free trade agreement with China and the USA.
It seems very clear to me that the UK's influence in the world as a whole, you know that other 7 billion people that aren't a part of the EU, is dramatically diminished by our being inside the EU. The EU is the one trading group whose share of wealth in the world is dropping.
If you want us to tie a Euro-shaped anchor around our necks and jump that's your prerogative. I personally would like the UK population to be presented with the facts and the alternatives rather than being accused of being Little Englanders and bigots then be allowed to make their minds up in a free and fair referendum. Free and fair as in absolutely no EU intrusion, which would be a substantial contrast to the tactics employed in the second Irish referendum on Lisbon after they gave the wrong answer first time around.