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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet
Hmm.
First an issue with those Ofcom graphs. If no-one can get 35Mb on the 38Mb service, VDSL rate 40000, confused how anyone, let alone almost everyone, is getting >70Mb on the 76, VDSL rate 79999kb?
Check figure 2.9 from that report, it contradicts those graphs by mentioning that there are customers on 38Mb FTTC receiving >35Mb.
Clearly some adjustments done to the data in places.
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Evidently so. But unfortunately they don't release the raw data so it's hard to say what's being jiggled where. Nonetheless those charts show most people are getting near-maximum speeds as it is, although averages (affected by many factors beside line quality) are lower.
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Profile 30a doesn't mean a thing for those who are distance restricted on 17a and isn't intended for FTTC deployment for exactly that reason. It is an FTTB/S technology.
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True, it doesn't help those distance restricted - but those aren't going to get 100Mbps+ with vectoring either.
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What can be achieved on vectoring is irrelevant until BT have pulled the trigger and actually announced a plan to JFDI. It's no more relevant than what VM's HFC network can do if caps are removed.
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Well given the discussion was about the release of >100Mbps packages accompanied by vectoring (which makes sense since the former requires the latter) then I think it's totally relevant. If they do release 110/120Mbps then they're not going to do it
without vectoring so non-vectoring speeds aren't going to be the ones achieved on said service.
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Ya. Try 0.5% without gap funding for FTTH/P, and FTTP on demand costing closer to 3 times that top end figure.
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Yes, that also reminds me of this rather older article:
http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news...bre-lte-101776
Now you're quite vocal about your objection to BT's current er, investment strategies, however I do wonder what you think about the comparison with Germany. After all, Germany started deploying VDSL several years before the UK yet we've already overtaken them in coverage and are offering comparable service for similar money (50/10 service is €40 on a 24m contract there). The investment, per home, by BT is only slightly lower than that done by DT (assuming those figures haven't changed drastically) - 66% of 25.7 million households for £2.5B here, 65% of 40.1 million households for £4.8B there, and we're getting there 2 years earlier and achieving a 60% faster headline speed. The last figure I could find for Germany put their FTTP coverage at a paltry 2.6% as well.
Perhaps we're getting a bit spoilt in Britain. Despite Openreach's "bargain basement" spending as you call it we're already well ahead of all other major European economies for NGA broadband speed, availability, price, and takeup. We have the most superfast broadband, the cheapest superfast broadband, the most widely available superfast broadband and the fastest superfast broadband [of the big 5 EU economies] - and many of those are true for our standard broadband and mobile broadband too. How much more do we really need?