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Originally Posted by damien c

Yeah it's my fault that a board dies after a mild overclock on a cpu.

Clearly, when nobody else manages to have boards die under the same conditions.

Overclocking by definition is forcing equipment to do what it shouldn't and by its very nature risky. However fact that I and many others have a board which you claim only lasts 16 months, work fine with a high overclock for 60 months would suggest the problem is not the board.

And yes in older games a single GTX780 will cope with those games at medium settings at 4K but as soon as you bump up the details, you suddenly drop below 60fps quite quickly.

Maybe you missed the bit where I pointed out "gaming" isn't all about Crysis 3 and other lazily coded resource hogging pile of junk console ports that you seem to obsess over. You may choose to only play overpriced, inefficient console ports that you get shoved down your throat by popular media, but not everyone else is the same. As I clearly showed above, hardly a single game your world seems to revolve around even makes the top 10 list of popular games on PCs right now. And I have to repeat - the vast majority of people (except in your head) are not so obsessed with perfection that they go slit their wrists as soon as their PC running Crysis 3 at maximum settings drops to a disastrous 59fps.

Hell, I live with gamers who are obsessed with running all their games at a flat out 120fps at all times, who would totally crap on your idea of what you consider "gaming"

Also ironic you complain about developers being "lazy" taking up disk space, yet seem to swoon over games that perform like crap and have horrendously dumb and repetitive gameplay because... developers have been lazy with the actual code. You seem to profess that Titanfall looks like it's 5 years old because its actually efficiently programmed and runs smoothly, and has been reviewed to have excellent innovative and immersive gameplay while repeatedly banging on about Crysis which has receives considerably poorer ratings and gets constantly slated for poor storyline, boring repetitive gameplay and despite running ridiculously slowly, the graphics aren't even much better than Crysis 1

Obviously every reviewer out there is also making the same mistakes as me if they are only able to around 45fps at 4K on 2, 3 and 4 cards, so maybe you should instruct them on how to get more fps out the hardware than the hardware can actually deliver.

Obviously you've misread or have completely missed the bit where I pointed out reviewers are getting 35-70fps at 4K with a single GTX 780 card. But keep deluding yourself. Of course, everyone else is doing it wrong by not frying their hardware.

What is funny though is that now that all the consoles have Blu-Ray drives in them the developers are suddenly now choosing to, not put any effort in to reducing the size of the games and it's just being lazy and yes uncompressed audio does sound better but not that much, unless you a stupid amount of money on DAC's and "Audiophile" grade headphones.

See above. Your ignorance is astounding. You complain about file sizes, but then seem to only play games that run ridiculously slowly because the actual game code is poor.

I notice that you didn't include the 4K number from this "Miracle" card that you have.

Err, I did. Once again you seem to be ignoring every fact that proves you wrong.

And at no point did I say I had any of the cards mentioned.

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/638...w/index13.html

Haha. Did you even read that link? It's getting 72fps at 4K in Sleeping Dogs and 48fps in Hitman. Once again your astounding ignorance is showing:

You say you can't get over 45fps with two cards say reviewers are getting the same, then point to a review where they get 72fps with [i]one card. So basically, you're either blind or completely ignoring every single stat, even in your own links, that prove you're doing it wrong?

So please stop saying you can play games at 4K on a single GTX780 when everyone knows you need a dual card setup, and as a single GTX780Ti according to Tweaktown is not enough then a slower GTX780 is not going to be enough.

Please stop lying and trying to mislead people when there are at least five review sites above proving you wrong (and stop embarrasing yourself by posting links that clearly contradict yourself and proves you're talking bollocks)

As for not trusting me, well thats your choice but the people I build pc's for and spec up would gladly tell you, that you would be wrong since only one person has had issues with the pc that I have built for them and that was down to there own fault, a cold glass of beer does not go well with electrical components.

I'm wrong that my Gigabyte card has been overclocked for five years and is working fine? You're not even making sense. Learn to read. You said Gigabyte and Asus boards, especially X58 boards were crap and keep dying. I proved that they're perfectly capable of being not crap both through my own use and that of many others.

I've factually disproven every claim you've made and the only thing you can come back with is twisting the results published by review sites and suggesting that your own abnormally high rate of equipment failures is somehow representative? Get real. For every Asus or Gigabyte board you've broken I can list someone running a massive overclock a 5 year old copy of the same board and other similar boards to the ones you've broken 6 of in a week... I'm surprised you'd keep going back and using the same board again though that you keep breaking multiple times... Why not leave the working stock to someone else who can actually use it properly instead of needlessly destroying decent hardware just because you don't know what you're doing? I know plenty of people who would love to get their hands on an Asus Rampage III Extreme.

Anyhow. You're welcome to have your own narrow minded view of gaming revolving purely around the ability to play Crysis on max settings. But please stop deluding yourself into thinking the rest of the world is as misguided as you. Seriously though, you seem to be trying to discredit my claims on the basis of you can't do it, yet ignoring the fact that somehow, the rest of the world apart from you is managing just fine. And you try to assert your expertise and authority by bragging about how many perfectly decent quality motherboards you've fried? Get real. When dozens of review sites are getting better performance than your "dual 780 Ti" with a single cheaper card, and hundreds of people are happily overclocking 5 year old Gigabyte and Asus EX58 boards the problem is not the equipment, it's you. "Most games" only being able to run at 45fps on 2 780 Ti's is a complete lie when review sites have shown dozens of games running at 50-100fps with a single 780 non-Ti. And I already listed three games I personally saw other people playing yesterday at between 100fps and 2500fps at 4K.

So please stop trying to mislead people based solely on your own clearly flawed experiences. All you're doing is showing off your own incompetence and talent for breaking stuff.

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Originally Posted by Bulky

All the input is very welcome and appreciated, still not nailed the specs down but I'm not in a rush to commit I just want the highest spec I can buy for the money using high quality components. The graphics card is a no go as I've decided against a dedicated water cooling setup , I was going to run it on air until I could afford to upgrade to water , think I will get a GTX780ti instead. I'm also going to swap the cooler to the h100i. Still not sure about motherboard, I've not had a gigabyte board before (was my brothers recommendation and is what he runs and he overclocks the nuts out of his system). I had an asus p4p800 SE back in the day which never missed a beat ...... Decisions decisions.

The real question is do you want to get the highets spec for specifically £1500, or the best performance for the money spec at a potentially lower price?

For example the GTX 780Ti is a very poor value for money card. Even the basic 780Ti is, on average over £100 more than the GTX 780 6GB example I posted earlier, and is universally slower in every single test. You could brag about having the fastest "stock" card, but you could also get a card that's faster and better in every way, for £100 less.

Similarly, you could look at the R9 290, which is overall about 20% slower than the 780ti, but costs 50% less (saving you over £200 off even the cheapest 780Ti). For the same price as an average 780Ti, you could get two R9 290's, which will be about 60% faster.

Same goes for all the other components really. Once you get high end, each extra 1% of performance costs exponentially more. You could build a PC that does 100fps in a game for £750, 110fps for £1000 or 120fps for £1500. If you really want to spend £1500, ignoring the fact it's actually a rather poor price point to aim for (being neither top end or good value for money, just halfway in between), then by all means.

Personally though, I'm happy with a machine that's 80% as fast as Damien's but cost half as much as his graphics cards alone.

I understand people who just want to buy high end for the sake of it (I used to be one of them) but know that the only difference between the spec you gave above, and a machine half it's price, is slightly faster CPU performance when you're doing more than 4 tasks at a time.