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Old 19-06-2014, 20:31   #1585
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Originally Posted by Chris View Post
Which you have now countered with a subtle segue in your argument from "the Scottish referendum polls are being manipulated" to "the manipulation of polls exists".

As a general statement, the latter I think is reasonable, even without specific evidence. The former, I believe, requires specific evidence to back it up.

As you have (almost) remembered, there are questions over the legitimacy of some polls in the indy referendum. As it happens it's Panelbase, not Survation. Panelbase had to close its panel to new members earlier this year because it suspected it was being flooded with nationalists posing as others in order to try to skew the results towards Yes.

However, I don't believe any of that justifies the leaden paranoia evident in your earlier comment which (and please correct me if I've misunderstood you), implied a co-ordinated, deliberate campaign of misinformation spanning multiple unconnected polling companies who have been commissioned by multiple unconnected clients, from both sides of the independence debate. Do you have any evidence of this?
Apologies re the mix up over Panelbase & Survation, thanks for the correction.

I don't believe I've segued anywhere to be honest. Did I state "the Scottish referendum polls are being manipulated"?

My "earlier comment" wasn't a comment Chris, you have indeed misunderstood me, it was a question. I implied nothing. I asked if you had ever "...considered the possibility".

That said, it is not unheard of for allegations to have been levelled at multiple polling agencies.

In this particular instance (the independence dabate) I don't have evidence of poll manipulation but then again I have no need for evidence as I haven't stated such things to be fact.

I'm content to know that poll manipulation exists because it has been manifestly proven to be fact in certain cases, I don't believe I have said it is the case in this situation.

Now, has any Government or Cabinet source come out and categorically denied the allegation that the poll shows a rise in the support for the Yes vote or putting the Yes vote in the lead?
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