[Barewolf]

My PC has changed since my Signature spec Peanut. So I’m not running Watchdogs on that Spec anymore. However, even if I was it wouldn’t run it, but that’s my whole point. To run some of the latest games PC owners need to keep changing their PC components because every year some new game comes out that requires the PC to be upgraded. The PlayStation 4 was meant to be around for about 5 Years.


I mean look at the old PlayStation 3. Games are still coming out for that, and also when that was released the games at first were pretty poor in comparison to the games released towards the end of 2013. Watchdogs for the PS4 is only the beginning, eventually you will have games that are a lot better, like The Division for example.
If the Division comes out on PC it’s going to require some major PC specs to run it in Ultra, and once again you will find people having to upgrade their PC’s again. People will have already upgraded their PC to play Watchdogs so they can play it in Ultra, so at what point does upgrading PC components to play games become viable?


A Playstation 4 is £350, that’s it, you don’t have to upgrade anything. Granted the games are slightly more expensive, but not by much. And there is no messing around with settings to get the game to look right, you just pop it in the machine, create a party with friends and off you go. With the PC its not that simple.


I truly believe the days of the PC is over. Maybe the Steam box will finally put the nail in the coffin, but to be honest the PC has had a good 30-40 years as we know it. No one wants a big Desktop PC taking up room. So you will find that something small and compact will come along and finally take over gaming as we know it.


People have mentioned that PlayStation have had their day and I disagree on that. I think with Morpheus and the introduction of Move technology that games will go to a new level.


Again I’m not dissing PC owners as I have a PC and I play games on it. World of Warcraft is an example of a Game that can’t be played on a PlayStation because it requires Add ons and key binding. But there’s a limited number of games that require a PC to play like that. Compared to the games available on Playstation.


It’s true that it’s down to personal preference. I prefer playing Playstation on a 65 inch than playing on my PC on a smaller monitor, that’s my preference. But I’m sick of updating my PC every time I want to play the newest title, and theres not that much difference between the two. It all comes down to whats affordable.


I think the Graphics card I have now cost me £280. I bought it last year about 12 months ago, and at the time I could play any game on Ultra. But now Watchdogs has come out its sluggish. So do I spend another £300 on a Graphics card? That’s almost £600 spent in the past year alone just to play games, compared to the Playstation 4 at £350.



Do you guys see my point?


I know a PC does more than play games, obviously. But the Ipad, Galaxy, and Laptops all do the same. It’s only the fact I use my PC for Digital Artwork and Writing letters that I actually keep it. But its not anything I couldn’t do with an Ipad if I really wanted to.


Im going to bookmark this forum post for when the Division comes out in 2015. Just to prove my point that the latest PC build, Hex Core @ 4ghz, 16GB DDR, and a GTX660 will not be enough to run it in Ultra mode.


For the average teenager who plays games, it is not a viable expense they can afford really. My Stepson is a perfect example. He’s 15 and he Plays World of Warcraft. I built him a PC so he could use it for his schoolwork and also made it decent enough that he can play World of Warcraft, Me and his mother spent £600 on the components 2 Years ago, I think the graphics card was £90 which was a mid ranged card. But he kept complaining that the game was laggy and he couldn’t run it on Ultra settings. I told him he just needed to upgrade the graphics card and that a £60-70 card would be enough. I think he was running a Quad Core at about 3.2ghz.


Anyway his Dad just bought him a 2 grand machine with duel graphics cards. A bit excessive just to play World of Warcraft but his Dad is an idiot anyway. But I’m guessing even that will not run the Division in 2015. So for someone like my Stepson, he would have to buy new components to play it.

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Originally Posted by Qtx

Consoles came out many years before that. The Atari 2600 was released in 1977 and that was a second generation gaming console. The Nintendo NES console was in the shops in 1986 and the Sega Megadrive in 1990. Then we had the things like sega saturn, original playstation and Nintendo 64 around 1995.

Being a similar age I had a Commodore Vic 20 and a Commodore plus 4 and 64 before having an Amiga but so glad it came along, even if the 1MB memory upgrade was the size of a brick The Atari ST and Amiga fanboy wars were the first I remember.

At one point in time PC's outperformed consoles quite a bit but these day's theres not a huge amount in it as you say. Not a significant difference anyway when it comes down to how the game looks and plays. Sometimes games are good looking but the actual game play sucks. If we look back at how crappy some of the early console or computer games looked, yet they kept us hooked and playing for ages.

Now tv's are bigger and some people have decent home cinema systems, it's preferable to play on the big screen and on the comfort of the sofa rather than sitting at a pc on a smaller screen. The steam box makes sense but if the hardware can't be updated then it essentially becomes a console anyway. Just one that runs pc games.

I was a big fan of the Amiga, i even got Emulators on the PC to play the old games. So many missed days at school playing WINGS, lol.

but yeah i remember the older consoles as well., and at the time i never had one, my first console was a Playstation really. Although i still played PC as well.

After getting the PS4 i was surprised just how good it was compared to previous versions, but i can see where the Playstation will go in the future, I cant say the same for PC gaming though. Occulus might change all that but again you have Morpheus on the Ps4, so its not like PC will have an edge over PS4.

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A part of me is glad that the new consoles are losing ground, just to give the PC a bit of a boost they need. But I'm also disappointed at the same time.

I don’t think consoles are losing ground, I think they are just starting to revolutionise gaming, look at Morpheous. PS5 will more than likely be 4K gaming console. You have to look ahead and see where things will be going. PS4 hasn’t even took off yet really, its only 6 Months old, in another 6 Months you will start to see what it’s capable off. I agree though, its disappointing to see that Xbone has fallen behind, you won’t see another Xbox in the future.

Because of the new consoles not being up to scratch I decided to get a newer PC, ok it cost a lot more but that's besides the point. My PC isn't just about gaming, but I have the option now and it's great at everything else I want to throw at it. So for me the PC is incomparable to a console and will always will be.

I’m not saying PC is better or worse, my point is about the gaming side of it. Ive been having this discussion on Youtube on a few comments of Watchdogs video’s. It baffles me how some people can be so stupid to say the PC is better when it clearly isn’t. Again I’m not dissing the PC, I’ve played Watchdogs on the PC and on the PS4, unless you put them side by side you cant really notice that much difference.
I totally agree though, a PC is not all about gaming.

If you've played Watch Dogs with a 7800 card, maybe you should get a better card or PC to see the difference then report back. As for using consoles on your big screen, well TV out and using an AV takes care of all that for me, I ain't tied down to my monitor at all for PC gaming. What I don't understand is why someone has got Watch Dogs on the PC and on the PS4 if there's nothing different between them.

I have a better card, I just haven’t updated my signature. But I have seen so many comments about Watchdogs on Youtube and I kind of started a Comment War on Youtube about this. So I bought a copy of Watchdogs just to see for myself what the differences are, and to see if my system could run it in Ultra mode. Its not that expensive.

So that begs the question of either did you buy both versions or did you download one. But again that is another point in where PC will rule, people do download whatever there is and don't need to fork out £50 for a game which is a whole different topic altogether.

Yes but it’s also Illegal, I mean it’s not like I don’t do it so I’m not going to be a hypocrite. The difference with my PS4 is that all the Games I collect can be sold on at a later date, so I can at least get most of my money back.

PC's have taken a hit, not because of console but more from tablets, gaming will always (if you can afford it) be better on a PC, consoles do have their place too but something has gone downhill for them as I can't see the XB1 lasting 5 years as it stands.

For once we agree on something. I think the Tablets have started to eliminate the need for a PC. I saw the gadget show a few months back and they said the same thing. There’s not much need for a Desktop PC anymore and it’s all down to the Tablets, Smartphones Etc.


I’m guessing you’re an Xbox fan, I’ve never liked Xbox, but even I am surprised by them releasing the Xbox, they have completely ruined it. I read somewhere the Xbox is 50% less Powerful than the PS4, but you can kind of agree when you see that they released watchdogs on Xbox at 720p. Don’t forget it’s not even been out long, if it’s having issues running the early games, what’s it going to be like in 2 Years?

I say there is life in the desktop PC yet. But the same goes that if you buy a desktop PC from the high street, you probably won't be expecting to run the latest games on high let alone ultra settings, so for some paying out for a desktop could be seen as a waste of money compared to a console. But pay out a bit more and there is no compassion at all.

I would never buy a PC from a shop, I build my own if I want a PC, but I think people who have desktops now will probably always have one. I’m excited to see Razers “Christine” at the E3 show this year, I saw a glimpse of it on YouTube. But again this is kind of my point that Desktops are dying out. You could argue that Christine is a desktop. But how many people are going to buy them? You would have to compare the sales of Tablets vs The sales of Computers to get any real kind of answer.


Based on everyone I know, I am the only person that uses a Desktop PC, and that’s only because of my Artwork. Oh and my Stepson as well, but the only reason he has one is because of me. I showed him World of Warcraft and he’s hooked.


Aside from the fact I use my PC for my Artwork theres no real reason for me to have one. If this Steam Box takes off you will find the PC will slowly just fade out. Unless of course you have to have one for programming or like myself Art, but these are specialist subjects. The Average Joe Bloggs won’t be buying one or building one.