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Originally Posted by martyh
No ,you made the point that parents are "forcing " children to follow religion and i answered that point. It is not unreasonable for a child to be raised in the same faith (if any) as that of their parents,it is not forcing a child to follow Christianity or Islam ,where you forced to be an atheist or where you simply raised that way ?
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Gary doesn't understand the rights of a parent to raise children as they see fit,and nor do you it seems .Parents make decisions that they deem appropriate for their children ,that may include religion ,atheism , home schooling,state schooling or the time a child goes to bed ,it is the parents choice not the states or anyone elses place to make those decisions
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At no point did I disagree that it's the parents' choice or comment on how reasonable or otherwise it may be; I merely said that they were forcing the child into following the religion.
You are making absolutely no sense but are blustering that because parents have the right to 'raise children as they see fit' or 'make decisions that they deem appropriate' they don't force their children into their religion when, by raising them as they see fit and making decisions that they deem appropriate they force their children to adhere to the same religion and indeed ensure they are labelled as such.
It's speculation on my part but what you appear to be saying is that, when parents compel their children to follow their religion, through such things as in this case requiring that they don't join in Christmas activities at their school, it's in some way not compulsion but 'raising as they see fit'.
I would suggest that if it were 'raising' the child in that manner without compulsion there would be some element of choice involved on the part of the child as to whether they go to church, whether they pray, whether they are allowed to be in a nativity play. If there is no element of choice involved the chlid has been forced to adhere to their parents' religion. It's really a very simple premise.
You appear to be disagreeing with something I didn't say with a total fallacy.
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Originally Posted by martyh
where you forced to be an atheist or where you simply raised that way ?
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Actually neither, and I love that you put it down as an either/or. I was raised in a household where one grand parent was somewhat religious, the other not in any way. I went to a strongly Church of England primary school where the assembly was quite heavily religious in nature.
I went to a secondary school which had a chapel attached, where acts of worship for all pupils were held. I was, for a couple of years, taken to church every Sunday with exactly no say in the matter. It was actually that which convinced me that while I can't say there is no God the ones that are worshipped are most definitely human constructs and there's precisely no evidence for them. I had a lovely, dramatic argument in which I said that I did not believe, would not believe, and refused to continue to attend.
So no, I was neither raised as an atheist or forced to be an atheist. I, perish the thought, actually made the decision for myself despite attempts to raise me as a Christian.
I don't raise my daughter as an atheist or force her to be an atheist either. She attended a Church of England junior school, and at no point have I discussed religion with her unsolicited. She happily sang Christian songs she learned at school, I happily listened to her regrettably awful singing voice
She has indeed asked me if I believe in God and I have told her that I do not, and elaborated on it when she asked me to explain. The matter hasn't been discussed since.
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Originally Posted by Mr Angry
I sense this is going to get funny.
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It already did; just not 'ha-ha' funny merely 'bizarre'.
Off to ask, and if necessary
force raise my daughter to tidy her room.