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Old 24-02-2014, 17:09   #47
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Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!

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Originally Posted by Damien View Post
All the EU are doing is offering a free trade deal with the European bloc.
We stop pushing when there are no options available to us. If Russia move their tanks into the Ukraine then there may be little we can do but whilst the whole thing is Russia threatening to cripple the Ukraine by withdrawing Oil or closing industries they own in the East then we can push back but continuing to offer the deal that was agreed and which the people want.

After All if the Ukrainian people are willing to fight for it, even in the face of violence, then for us to cowardly abandon them would embolden Russian expansionism no end.

When do you think we stand up to Russian bullying? They bring Ukraine into their club then turn their attention towards other countries who equally don't want to join, do we say enough is enough then or do we once again turn our tails and run, leaving another people to their unwanted fate, all because we're scared of Russia?
Yeah right, no intention whatsoever of getting as many new members as possible into the club...

We start resisting if and when Russia directly threatens our interests and right now the Ukraine is a problem we don't have and don't need. We've plenty on our plate to deal with already and this is just adding to the instability. Ukraine was once in their club and Russia didn't prevent them leaving. What the EU is doing is going to be seen as eroding the buffer zone of countries adjacent to Russian soil and that's a big problem.

So, according to your logic we should assist the Ukranians to pull further away from Russia if they so wish but then stop if the Russians call our bluff and move their tanks in. What sort of help is leaving them high and dry? That's a recipe for being damned by both sides and it's happened before where we've intervened then got the hell out leaving those we were supposed to be trying to help to their fate.

It's not cowardice but common sense to avoid getting entangled in a potential war you can't win unless there's no other option. So far as I can see right now Russia isn't seeking to expand anywhere, it's seeking to prevent a former Soviet state from moving further towards the EU. We can argue about the rights and wrongs of all this but there is another option to getting directly involved and that is to keep out of it just like we have done and are doing selectively elsewhere around the globe.
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