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Originally Posted by Chris
Mr Wad, the question we must answer in September has never been *could* we. It is, *should* we.
What sort of Scotland do you want? If you want true independence, a la Norway or Switzerland, then you close your border, print your own money and set your own taxes. This is not what the SNP is promising to negotiate in the event of a Yes vote.
If you want everything to continue pretty much as it is now, except without interference from Westminster, which is what the SNP is promising, then you are believing a lie. For the border to be open, and the currency to be unchanged, Scotland would be leaving many of the powers that rightly belong to an independent government, in the hands of a foreign neighbour. You think Westminster doesn't reflect Scotland because it only has 50 Scottish MPs? How about when it has zero Scottish MPs, but Scotland's fiscal policy is still being set there?
The GuessNP is selling a pig in a poke. The only deal on offer isn't independence, it's a hamstrung union in which Scots have vastly less influence over a government that will continue to rule over their economy.
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Chris,
Chris you right on money with the question (pardon the pun). But I believe the journey this now is understanding if we could leave and do it on our own without blowing the country up. Pretty much the concencus of your arguments that I have seen so far in this thread is that will happen if we leave. Anyways,
Britain may have been one of the great rulers over the past couple hundred years Chris, but when coming to rule the neighbour to the north, its a very controversial matter. More so over the last few decades for very obvious reason's.
Chris you believe the union works very well. Well sorry I completely disagree with you on this.
We sell off our public utility's for a quick buck, hugely expand an inflated banking sector,crush a major world player in manufacturing, create an over inflated benefits system which totally lost focus of its original purpose, continue to pay bankers major bonuses, continue to do nothing about tax evaders, bbc scandals (public arm and big UK promtor), fund the royals, accept and influenced by a specific religion, sell off public assets (including council housing) and create an over inflated, heavily saturated private rent sector where again personal gain and profits prevail. The list goes on and on and on Chris. Where all the effective regulation, of which we also pay for out the public purse doesn't cut it.
Yeah, we can all say "yeah, but they can get everything right". Well I believe getting the basics and fundamentals right first and putting the power to the people first. Sadly that ain't the the case.
Why am I saying all this, because we can do nought about it. Salmond looks over the north sea, and see this money going south and dreams of what it could do for Scotland. Is that such a bad thing??...I mean really? AS knows the oil is running out and wouldn't be on the campaign trail if Scot had no oil.
You may not accept it, but I accept that oil is the lifeline of the current economic status of most advanced countries in this world and will go mental when the oil stops. But until that day, its major financial boost and incentive.
I need to give credit where due in regards to your argument about the pound , but I think it will take more than whether it is the £ or not, to make or break Scotland is it decides to leave. I may be wrong, but Im sure the irish pound did fine until they joined the euro.
Close the border, why? I mean like AS said, we would be your friendly neighbour to the north. I mean is that not good enough?
Like another poster said, Im not an economist, and I have to rely on sources of info for that...
Other than losing sight of AS fundamental reasons for doing it, I will ask you though Chris, what would happen to the rest of the UK's wealth if Scotland left. You seem to have a very big insight on how bad it will be for Scotland, I am very interested to hear your views on the flip side.
All the talk I have heard so far is Scotland will emplode and the rest of the UK will will be fine and have to ride to Scotland's rescue. I mean really, do you believe anyone to accept that, weather anyone has a detailed economic financial reason which to me is all banker talk covering their rear ends. (not to imply that you are a banker or that).
Who do we we standing up now?, the govn. of the bank of England?...who may see less money coming in and have to deal with problems that he cannot even comprehend. What the head of the BP?...who has to worry about AS raising the rent on the fields.
You know Chris, if your right, and we leave and mess it up, I will come back here and give you your due, I am man enough to do that, but its going to take more than the better together campaign weak arguments to convince Scots to stay. Labour were wiped out in Scotland in the last election for a very good reason and are still shocked .