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Originally Posted by Chris
Erm no, Scotland did not vote for independence in the 1970s. There was a devolution referendum, which was defeated. The "technicality" was a quorum, which is a totally uncontroversial device in decisions involving constitutional change. IMO there should have been one in 1997 as well, although I believe Scotland would have met it. Wales certainly wouldn't and as a result the Assembly came into existence with the active support of fewer than 25% of Welsh voters.
I believe there should have been a quorum for this year's referendum as well. It can in no way be said to be the settled will of the Scottish people to effect permanent, radical constitutional change unless a majority of adults - all of them, not just the turnout - are sufficiently motivated to go out and vote for it.
Permanent and major constitutional changes should be demonstrated by more than 50% +1 of whichever voters turn out on the day. If the result is 49-51 for the union, the separatists will keep agitating forever and a day until they get what they want, arguing that opinions might have changed, but if it goes 51-49 the other way, the destruction of the modern British state will be permanent.
It's all very well you being happy with the consequences but our children have to live in the land we are at risk of birthing this year and we have a responsibility to them.
Cameron has been a pragmatist in allowing the seps to have their referendum, with votes for teens and no quorum, because he knew there was a risk that Salmond the ever-reckless would simply go ahead anyway and plan to try to fight for his result through the courts if necessary. But there is a real risk now, if the result is close, whichever way it falls, of long lasting social damage.
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Yeah, Chris your right, it wasn’t vote an independence – I put my hand up on this one.
But what does this tell you, that nearly 2.5 million Scot’s came out, the majorty voted for a referendum. But because 40% didn’t vote that it was swept under the carpet. What does this mean?? in a decomcratic society that we’ve created that even the majoirty don’t have a voice weather 37% voted or 7% percent.
While your explanation of the “quorum” may be true but certainlly doesn’t make it right. It aint my problem that voters don’t turn up. I would still expect my vote to count and to mean something. If people don’t turn up to vote, that aint my problem.
Chris, I am 26 years old now. I have lived with decsions my mother, father, etc… made decades ago growing up in a society fueled by personal gain and motive, taking full advatage of the days of propersity. I am fully aware of how important this is for our kids.
I don’t and we don’t owe Cameron any thanks Chris lol. The fact that Scotland did not vote for a torrie/lib dem coliation should be noted. We pay our way like everyone else. If we want to change something it should be reasonably considered without having to be grateful or asking please.