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Old 07-12-2013, 19:37   #76
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Re: Nelson Mandela ,freedom fighter or terrorist

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy View Post
Was the apartheid regime killing innocent civilians with bombs and guns? If so I'd like to see some links to support your assertion.
Well there was the Sharpeville Massacre that I mentioned before and sparked the start of the ANC turning to violence:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharpeville_massacre

Other than that it wasn't uncommon for lesser killings to take place. Although they would tend to individual instances. This is an example:

http://www.sahistory.org.za/topic/po...ment-1961-1989

Although it depends what you define as innocent. I define it as anyone who didn't take up violence but still were hit by violence, however most of them including the Sharpeville massacre involved people who were protesting which some on here might not class as innocent.

Botha was found to have ordered the bombing of a church too:

http://content.time.com/time/magazin...,11300,00.html

Besides I think we're all agreed apartheid was a horrific thing we're all glad to see the back of. Even without the violence it was a gross abuse of mankind.


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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit View Post
That is because this thread was started and I am grateful because I was holding off on posting anything about it anywhere. If you want to discuss the evils of apartheid why not start a thread about that maybe?
No because apartheid is pretty central to this whole discussion. People are trying to strip the context from Mandela's bombing campaign because it's much worse that way. It's like that post earlier where someone posted that Mandela refused this offer to be released if he 'unconditionally' renounce violence and left out the part where it also involved him shutting up and stop challenging apartheid!
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