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Originally Posted by heero_yuy:35644641

Yes it is and you're wrong on every count.

But trying to have a factual debate with you is as pointless as with Arthur.

Suffice to say that in 1979 the bodies were going un-buried, rubbish stewn the streets and strikes everywhere and the country was the "sick man of Europe" yet another Labour creation. After the next 18 years of Tory government the economy was booming, strikes were at a historic low and most people were considerably better off.

It took Labour to wreck a golden inheritance (again) by maxing out the state's credit card on a spend, spend, spend boom fuelled on borrowed money which is why we're where we are now.

As for the NHS, reform is vital as just going on as it is now is the way to disaster. Things HAVE to be done more efficiently as there will never be enough money to fund as much NHS as people seem to want. Those expectations have to be moderated.

Priorities will have to be made and trade offs: Do we fund boob jobs for women who are paranoid about cup size? IVF for those who already have children? or fund the next expensive breakthrough in cancer drugs.

Should the NHS concentrate on the truely sick rather than funding vanity proceedures?

These sorts of questions cannot be dodged, accusing the Tories of destroying the NHS is silly when they have funded real increases in expendature.

Agreed, good post

Don't let Arthur see it, it's full of factual information that doesn't need to contain a link and is valid.