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Old 11-11-2013, 19:08   #130
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Re: Marine killer deserves clemency

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Originally Posted by Osem View Post
Why remove that comment then? It's hardly contentious...
Because I thought you were making a slightly different statement to what you did when I reread it. I thought you were dismissive of the notion that we follow a different set of rules when in fact you were proud of it. My post didn't add anything other than reinforcing what you said.

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Originally Posted by SMG View Post
This guy was caught. Video & audio. He will be convicted. I`m just saying these things do happen, sometimes due to fear, sometimes due to training, sometimes its made clear that you should not take prisoners, sometimes it just plain murder, but it does happen. Different people will have different opinions.

None of us will ever know because we were not there at the time. We don't know what had happened previously, had this guy had just lost some colleagues, what was his mindset at the time.

Unless he is booby trapped, a dead insurgent is no threat, a wounded one is. All British forces operate under Queens regulations, an endless list of them, all superseded by a small list of exceptions, determined by operational & task requirements. This is why SF can operate freely, they "Murder" people all the time, in the national interest.

I`m not saying Marine A was under such orders, just that incidents like this do happen, if sanctioned, OK, if not, take your chance.

But the video was shown the court and they clearly were sure of what happened and convicted.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...execution.html

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The victim, who has never been identified, had joined an attack on a British patrol base and was badly wounded by a burst of 30mm cannon fire from an Apache helicopter gunship called in to repel the assault.

A small patrol, led by Marine A, was sent out to look for casualties and found him in the middle of a field, badly wounded, armed with an AK-47, two magazines and a grenade.

After berating the barely conscious man, the patrol drag him to the edge of the field with Marine A saying “Get him closer in so [a surveillance balloon] can’t see what we’re doing to him.”

When Marine A asks for volunteers to perform first aid, the patrol members all decline, and Marine C says instead: “I’ll put one in his head, if you want”.
Marine A replies: “No not in his head, cause that’ll be f****** obvious.

The Marines then declare that the man is dead and report the news back by radio before Marine A shoots him with his 9mm pistol after apparently having made sure the Apache helicopter has moved away.

However a pathologist told the trial that the man was clearly alive when he was shot and could be seen moving beforehand.
We can't see the video as it was deemed to inflammatory by the judge who thought it would aid terrorism and put more troops in danger. A gift for terrorist propaganda. However that does seem pretty shocking. The court was clearly convinced this was done intentionally and the man posed no threat. There was a level of calculation to it by moving him out of sight and asking for the silence of his fellow marines.
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