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Originally Posted by martyh
That is classic head in sand ,lets forget why we are in this situation and lets forget how the last government ruined this country .Yes Thatcher made mistakes ,all governments make mistakes but the scale of labours mistakes where Biblical and must never be forgotten
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head in the sand?? I only ever use the blame game in retorts for those playing the blame game
I could and will argue Labour took over after Thatcher's mistakes meaning they never had a chance now the Tories are blaming Labour when really it was Thatcher who created the mess in the first place or it could have been Callahan Wilson or Heath its all really irrelevant
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy
Unfortunatly it's the benefits "ratchet" effect, once it's given out it is very difficult to remove or even change as there will always be someone who "loses" and the press just love to find them to beat whichever party is in govenment with.
Sweeping the whole edifice away and replacing with a single benefit might be the way forwads to reduce the complexity but in the process some will inevitably lose out. Arguably those who shouldn't have been receiving state benefits in the first place.
Perhaps this is the price to pay for restoring welfare as a catch net to those who genuinely need it to survive, buy food, pay rent etc, rather than have all the things that those in work enjoy: Ipads, mobiles, big tellys etc.
A similar argument arises for rolling NI into income tax as it all flows into the Treasuries maw. This would make NI a more progressive* tax unlike at the moment and those under the tax threashoold would get to keep more of their (small) wages.
*Based on ability to pay.
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It is not the unemployed or the sick costing the tax payer all the money
It is the fact more and more people are getting old. The NI policies have been spent and the tax payer has to pay for the elderly
The figures are out there that prove it but its a far to inconvenient a truth for most to swallow