[Kushan]

Ugh, I hate when people don't quote properly.

Originally Posted by ethan103

nope, it's 300,000 for Xbox One as stated here:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...velopers-think

From that very article:

At the end of the Xbox 101 presentation, Henshaw is asked whether the 300,000 servers that will be available when the Xbox One launches are all physical servers or a combination of virtual machines. "We haven't gone into that level of detail yet," is all he'll say, somewhat tellingly.

They don't have 300,000 servers from Xbox Live..

Originally Posted by ethan103

because as MS has over 10x the severs they can spread them out more evenly around the world whereas SONY cannot, as logic would tell you they have fewer.

Except, as stated above, Microsoft doesn't have 300,000 servers just for Xbox live, those servers are virtualised. They have about 10 datacentres around the world (some not operational yet), here's a list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Azure#Datacenters

They combine that with a bunch of CDNs, something that Sony is also cable of doing but that doesn't help with dedicated servers or gaming, just downloads.

Originally Posted by ethan103

[COLOR="red"]From my experience PSN+ and PSN cards are harder to get at a discount than XBL Points are and XBL Gold is.

Also I would disagree and say both companies haven't really offered any good games for free that aren't really old or I haven't already tried. I personally don't see the benefits of PS+.

See this is where I know you're being biased. I found a thread that lists all of the games given away so far, keeping in mind that it only started last November so it's not even a full year:

3.39 - LittleBigPlanet Karting
6.57 - Spec Ops: The Line (6.68 NBA 2K13 for United Arab Emirates)
4.86 - Uncharted: Golden Abyss (Vita)
3.92 - Mafia 2
8.24 - Payday: The Heist
3.51 - Saints Row the Third
4.59 - Uncharted 3 Drake’s Deception (Single Player Only)
8.54 - XCOM: Enemy Unknown
4.70 - Gravity Rush (Vita)


Leaving PS Plus 28th August:
3.85 - Need for Speed: Most Wanted
5.86 - Team ICO Collection: ICO
8.16 - Team ICO Collection: Shadow of the Colossus
8.00 - Demon’s Souls
1.88 - Lego Lord of the Rings (Vita)
9.00 - When Vikings Attack (PS3 & Vita)


Entering PS Plus 28th August:
5.74 - Assassin's Creed III
2.92 - The Jak and Daxter Trilogy: Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy HD
6.05 - The Jak and Daxter Trilogy: Jak II HD
4.42 - The Jak and Daxter Trilogy: Jak 3 HD
7.00 - Stealth Inc.: A Clone in the Dark (PS3 & Vita)
7.40 - Urban Trial Freestyle (Vita)
3.13 - New Little King's Story (Vita)


ARCHIVE (EU) PS+/IGC

June 2012
4.64 - Darksiders
3.76 - inFamous 2
4.35 - Motorstorm Apocalypse
4.56 - Oddworld: Stranger’s Wrath HD
5.51 - LittleBigPlanet 2
6.83 - Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine

9.29 - Chime Super Deluxe
5.56 - Hamsterball
4.41 - Outland
8.64 - Ricochet HD
9.12 - Sky Fighter
2.00 - Virtua Fighter 5: Final Showdown
7.50 - Wakeboarding HD
4.13 - Magic Orbz
6.18 - Mahjong Tales: Ancient Wisdom
8.22 - Mushroom Wars
6.26 - Renegade Ops
6.10 - Smash Cars


July 2012
5.17 - Deus Ex: Human Revolution

4.11 - Lara Croft & the Guardian of Light

Saints Row 2

5.08 - Starhawk (Single Player Only)


August 2012
5.21 - Just Cause 2
4.07 - Borderlands
7.80 - Dead Space 2

8.59 - Retro/Grade
3.40 - Rock of Ages
7.66 - Super Stardust HD (Vita)


September 2012
6.59 - Red Dead Redemption (unavailable for Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates)

6.52 - Double Dragon Neon
2.32 - Machinarium
4.46 - Scott Pilgrim Vs The World


October 2012
5.61 - Resident Evil 5 Gold Edition
5.95 - Bulletstorm

2.49 - Hell yeah! Wrath of Dead Rabbit


November 2012
6.87 - Crysis 2
3.27 - Ratchet and Clank All 4 One
4.59 - Uncharted: Golden Abyss (Vita)
4.70 - Gravity Rush (Vita)

8.33 - Cubixx HD
3.02 - Chronovolt (Vita)
3.17 - Tales from Space: Mutant Blobs Attack (Vita)

Source thread here: http://www.ps3trophies.org/forum/ps3...ree-games.html
I've highlighted a few that really stand out as not "old" or "****".
Even if you exclude all of the Vita games, you got all of that for a single 12 month subscription - even at £40, that's ridiculous value. And I say this as a big PC gamer who's used to his steam sales.

Originally Posted by ethan103

[COLOR="red"]Like I said SONY will be more stretched with offer a quality server experience. Just because they have them dosent mean they will be close or located in the UK especially when they have 20K-30K compared to MS with 300K for the Xbox One.

Once again, look up those 300,000 servers and it's clear they're not all real servers, nor have they distributed them as widely as you think.
Your claim about Sony not being able to put servers near the UK has been pulled out of thin air. Go and find a source to back that up.

Originally Posted by ethan103

And of course having severs on the most played MP game on console is a massive plus and MS will, it looks like, support many more games with them.

It looks more like Sony hasn't announced anything yet. It wouldn't be a suprirse for Microsoft to have the better online service, but the gap is narrowing rather than widening.

Originally Posted by ethan103

As regards to your article,

That just states PS4 will sometime in 2014 offer some graphics streaming/processes via the cloud.

Again they may not be able to match MS and their quality and it isn't a 'day 1' feature.

Once again, speculating on what Sony can and cannot do. Don't get me wrong, Microsoft has invested heavily into the cloud but ultimately they're not doing anything that's impossible for Sony to do. Dedicated servers are not new, not even for the PS3, let alone the PS4.