Originally Posted by JustaBloke

Ben, without doubt you are a mighty VM sales droid and I know I am never, ever going to change your opinion.

However. As an 'early adopter' with a house full of the latest, most desirable tech. I need a PVR but don't want to waste my money on a TiVo subscription that would give me nothing I need over my V+ subscription. Of the 3 TiVo families I know 2 of them have relegated the box to the bedroom, the other has no choice as it's their only box. All of them don't like it.

I'm so pleased I swerved it. I registered for early updates (early adopter who spends far too much on tech). It's popular with forum types, but not in the wider community.

VM needs to address the needs of the wider community. I'm not saying that TiVo shouldn't be available to those that want it, but the Horizon box seems to address a wider need.