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Originally Posted by Kushan

What makes you say that? The SH1 can do 8 downstream channels versus the 4 on the Ambit 300. If 200Mbit becomes a thing, the Ambit 300 will struggle to hit that but the Superhub shouldn't have much of an issue.

Umm you've clearly not been paying attention to this thread, the last two or three pages have been confirming the Ambit 300 does 8 downstreams. VM are just too cheap to enable it.

I think 100Mbps is being generous there, I wouldn't rate its wireless capabilities at all, but I think that's where we're butting heads here - I'm talking about it as a modem, not as a wireless router.

The primary purpose of the Superhub at time of release, and what it was designed for, was not as a modem, it was as a combined wireless router. For the record I've managed to get over 230Mbps over wireless on my test Superhubs, but under standard 2.4Ghz operation I'd expect it to top out about 100.

I guess you're correct in saying that it's not good enough and thus needs to be replaced for better equipment but in terms of DOCSIS capabilities I don't think it's any less able than the SH2

It's no more able than the VMNG300 either.

and I'd say anyone with a SH1 in Modem mode isn't in any real need to replace it any time soon.

But again, the majority of people don't have the SH1 in modem mode, and nor was it intended to be used that way by most people. And again, in just modem mode, it's no better a modem than the VMNG300 (on paper). Admittedly practice is different, there are certain performance characteristics which are improved, of the sort you don't see on the spec sheet.

As I stated before, 8 DS channels versus 4 makes it more future proof than the Ambit 300.

No it doesn't. Because 8 DS verses 8 DS is exactly the same.

I do actually agree with this, as I mentioned before, I should have made it clearer that I was talking about the modem side of the Superhub rather than its wireless capabilities.

See above, when it gets installed by VM it's not "just a modem". It's set up as a wireless router; only certain more knowledgeable customers use it in modem mode. The average joe does not. But even as a modem it's capabilities on paper are identical to the VMNG300 before it and the SH2 after it. If the SH1 is "future proof" as a modem, so is the VMNG300 (which defeats the point of its existence as a "future proof" replacement for the VMNG300...)

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Originally Posted by craigj2k12

Agreed, as you point out, it is entirely impractical to have engineers modifying the CPE at the customers house. As you suggested they could be refurbed at a lower cost than having an entirely new unit produced. In terms of the SH1 I am glad they scrapped it and started again, though

Well... Being an "engineer" who's done that myself on customer premises, it's not entirely impractical, it just depends what level of service you're budgeting for. That said it would be more efficient just doing a straight swap at the customer premises and sending the old kit back to the warehouse to be upgraded en-masse.

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Originally Posted by BenMcr

Wikipedia seems to think that 4 channels would be capable of delivering 222Mbit on EuroDOCSIS, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was a 'standard' VMNG300 modem

It wasn't - the triallists have specifically addressed this question before - special dedicated modems were used, modems that haven't been seen or heard from on VM's network since.

However, the issue over 200Mbit (or even 100/120Mbit) over 4 channels would be when you are using it in a contended area. Which is why VM would prefer everyone was on a SH for the new tiers.

Well, yes, but then it used to be that 100Mbit over 3 channels was viable, until congestion got out of hand, but now it's improving again it's not entirely impractical. Ignition was of the impression 400Mbit service over 8 channels could actually be practical with correct network management.

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Originally Posted by craigj2k12

I seem to recall they used a specialist Arris modem for the trials

Indeed. Couldn't remember the name myself, but they were special modems used only for the trial; it seemed that line of development was abandoned when VM decided to go down the "all in one" Superhub track.

If it weren't for that, those modems could well been the successor to the VMNG300.