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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
No were not agreed, I couldn't particularly careless what someone on benefits gets or what they spend it on, its none of my business.
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You couldn't care less what someone spends their benefits on? Guess what,neither could I! Slight problem being this was of course never the point I made in the first place.
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
Work should pay more but imo rather that cutting benefits perhaps wages should be increased instead of this race to the bottom people are currently enduring.
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Wages should and can indeed only be increased if the market can carry that higher rate.Furthermore,if the government would stop paying nonsense benefits like working tax credits maybe some employers would have to raise their wages... as I've made clear before I oppose Corporate welfare and I think some parts of the welfare state are indeed a negative influence on our wage structure.
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
Where do you think the old boy network begins with, what school you went to perhaps.
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Yes,possibly,however like I said that still doesn't guarantee success,although I do agree on the soft-cushy fall for those hurtling towards earth from high altitude.
Hard work goes a long way and your attitude sounds self-defeatist,sorry.
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy
Well what a surprise. Often the case that those who shout about only having so much money conveniently forget the standing bills that are being paid for by the taxpayer: Gas, electric, council tax, rent, etc, etc.
Those are the bills that working people have to pay in addition to food, booze & fags.
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Come on,Rent and council tax being paid for aren't real benefits since the claimants don't have the cash in their pockets.
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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit
Irrelevant IDS said anyone can live on £53 per week it matters not about this guy you are just clouding the issue with semantics > this guy said prove it that's all
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So someone who doesn't have to live on £53 pounds a week gets all offended on behalf of those who have and then challenges someone to do what he himself doesn't have to do,and there's not a problem with that?
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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit
I do not understand what you mean? council tax and rent are paid via benefits then the rest comes out of whatever income you get whether benefits or low paid work.
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Yes,but what Heero was saying was Mister-156-quid-a-week conveniently forgot about that part of his benefits,that's all. Or don't they count?
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Originally Posted by Derek
He was ambushed with an unanswerable question based on false information. If he said he couldn't survive on what was claimed to be weekly benefits it would have been seized upon by certain people as proof benefits are not enough to lie on.
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Yup,like I said yesterday these are acting like an addict coming off his gear,so it's best to let then scream and shout and in a few years no one will remember and Britain will be much happier due to people being allowed to be self-sufficient once more.
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu
RizzyKing, l am in total agreement with what you are saying.
I also want to say soomething about foriegn workers taking the jobs in the UK.
If l was unemployed and looking for work l look at several points, the rent on my council house, my wife and the bills, l therefore look at what is there, l could not go for a job under £18.000 per year- reasons simple, if you get a job you have to work SIX weeks before claiming any benefit to put your money up, if you claim one benefit, you lose something else.
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So what you're saying,Dear Arthur,is that you are the prime example of everything that is wrong with the attitude of a big part of the indigenous population on this beautiful island.... you're just too good to get up in the morning for the minimum wage,and instead making the low wage up with increased hours you'd rather remain on the dole and have others pay your way.... well done.
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu
Its always been known that the Tories will look after the rich, it proved yesterday that they will reduce the 50p tax down to 45p - WHY, if the rich have to pay more in taxes then so be it. They earn more money in interest sitting in the bank.
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a higher tax rate doesn't mean the revenue will rise proportionally.... indeed it may well fall.
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu
EVERYTHING has been done by the government is hitting the poor and the vulnerable - nothing to hit the rixch - in my book that is bad.
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If you say so....
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu
Foriegn workers, companies will always take on workers at the cheapest rate possible, and sometimes below the minimum wage, and dont please tell me that this does not go on - becuase it does.
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If many more people display your attitude towards work there won't be anyone left BUT foreigners to do the work....