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Originally Posted by Osem
I think that for some people it's easier to turn this issue into a them and us, rich v. poor, right v. left argument than accepting the reality that the welfare state cannot carry on supporting people who could and should be working harder to support themselves.
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as said no one here is saying any different about the welfare state do you think we are? I for one keep on saying the weakest and poorest are getting effected as well I also said yesterday or whenever that the workshy will play the game go to meeting sign on do their stuff then stuff up any interviews anyway so it wont effect them as hard as the innocents
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Originally Posted by martyh
The way i see it is certain posters keep interjecting disability into the argument and using it as a reason not to cut welfare .Some posters need to realise that welfare arguments do not always mean that the disabled are being picked on ,in fact the whole point of welfare reform is to make it fairer on workers and make sure the money is there to support those that really need it.
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the disabled are being effected as well the whole atos issue is about that side of it