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Old 11-03-2013, 16:14   #88
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Re: Miliband - Labour didn't listen blah blah

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Originally Posted by Will21st View Post
Yes,he has left and he has liberal tendencies,and his opposition to those measures comes from his liberal leanings.... when it comes to Israel he is left-leaning and thereby anti-semitic in tendency. He can have both instincts in him,just like many people are walking contradictions.
Yes, he has left and liberal tendencies. So do I by the way. This is because they don't contradict. You can be liberal and left wing. (Actually I would say I am more moderate on economic scale). This is the complex nature of politics where few peoples' ideals can be easily distilled into 'left' and 'right'. I think for example that people who need the social safety net should have that, that universal medical care is a good thing and that we have to pay for such a system from out taxes. That is the cost of living in a society IMO.

However I think you have the right to privacy, that laws should be limited and designed to protect people but maintain a right to freedom of expression. That the Government shouldn't impose moral laws (within reason).

There are probably individual policies I support or oppose that do contradict these broad beliefs but again, this is just one person trying to make sense of a complicated world with complicated problems. I cannot be characterised as 'left', that is just a crux for people incapable of thinking of politics or their opponents in anything other than the most simplistic labels. It's ok for broad statements, i.e Democrats' are left wing and Republicans' are right wing, but it breaks down quite easily upon examination.

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Yes,indeed,considering your support of a political leaning that relies on smear to fight it's enemies.
It's ironic because that is what you've been doing in this thread. Consistently telling everyone what people on the left, i.e me, thinks and what our motivations are but you don't know me. I don't think I rely on smears to 'fight my enemies', not that I think of people that disagree with me as 'enemies', and I would hope other members on this forum that do think differently than me would vouch for that.

Yet on this thread we've had people describe the left as anything from wanting to control people to people responsible to the deaths of 100 million people. This is not a fair or rational way to describe an entire spectrum of political opinion.

It's no doubt true that people who ascribe to being socialist, or communist, have committed evil acts but as you've conceded previously such evil is not limited to the left. In fact I have argued that these acts represent a desire for control and order that stems from their authoritarianism and not their socialism. Additionally these acts and Governments do not represent the left anymore than the Westboro Baptist Church represents Christianity, Islamic Fundamentalism represent Islam or the BNP represent people concerned about Immigration. We are not automatically responsible for people with whom we share a common faith or political belief.

Anyway this is all me just repeating myself. I don't want to continue this thread because it just makes me angry and I don't like being angry. There are too many topics in Current Affairs that just upset me now so'll I bow out here.
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