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Old 07-03-2013, 12:55   #65
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Re: Miliband - Labour didn't listen blah blah

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Originally Posted by Damien View Post
Left = socialism = communism = Stalin seems to be the formula that people are trying to advocate.
Of course that's not always the case. I completely agree with you there.
However, one should be on guard against communism sneaking in using the thin end of the wedge, so to speak.
A quick google throws out some interesting biographical details about many labour members:
http://pol-check.blogspot.co.uk/2009...ew-labour.html
Quote:
The Observer, August 25, 2002 The old communists of New Labour by Peter Oborne:
(clip) The influence of the Communist Party on New Labour has been neglected. One day it will be an important subject for a dissertation or PhD by a university graduate. It is not merely the case that a significant number of figures in the Government machine - John Reid, David Triesman, Peter Mandelson, Charlie Whelan to name a few - belonged to the Communist Party of Great Britain in all its King Street grandeur. Many others - Stephen Byers and Alan Milburn among them - were connected in one way or another with the obscure sub-Marxist organisations that abounded in the 1970s, doing their best to tear down capitalism.
.......they were (?still are) as red as could be......now one could argue that they were younger then and saw the eror of their ways and turned away from communism/marxism etc., or one could say that, just possibly, they recognised that they wouldn't get to positions of power without 'toning down' their stated ideologies......so they defaulted to socialism. Who knows where their true loyalties still lie?

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I wonder if a similar quick trawl of conservative mp's backgrounds would produce a similar level of extreme right wing affiliations & memberships in their pasts......I suspect not.
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