RizzyKing

Ok going to bit of a long post so please bear with me. Main point of this thread is something i have become more and more aware of over the last couple of years mainly in our headlong rush to resolve the economic crisis are we creating a far more damaging crisis the destruction of our society. We seem to have a government that can only rule as long as society is divided and attacking itself. We have sections of society turning on each other as a contributor or cause to the economic mess we are in and allowing things to pass that we would never have tolerated twenty years ago. I have noticed a growing anger in people in how they relate to each other and how one section of society regards another both in person and mainly here on the internet and i have myself been guilty of it at times as well.

To put myself up and explain i am a lifelong conservative but not of the modern conservatism which i barely recognise from what i was bought up to believe. My conservatism was the one where government played no more of a part in the lives of people then it had too, an ideology where obstacles to personal progression were removed as much as was practical and the promoting that everyone who could did. It was also an ideoology that those who through no fault of their own would be taken care of by the state their basic needs met and support and help given where it was needed.

What we seem to have ended up with is very much a dog eat dog attitude in politicians today where they only care about the public long enough to get your vote and then quickly forget you once it has been cast. There is no local politician anymore getting elected by us to parliament we get what the parties send us not who we want. This government has attacked the vulnerable and poorest as well as the working and lower middle classes in our society in a constant way whilst also making them scapegoats for the country's ill's basically since they got in and on the surface seem to have support from some of the public. I'm not sure the policy's do have support though i think a lot of the public are very angry and frustrated at the mess we are in and are striking out at any target that is presented rather then venting towards the right targets because many of us don't know exactly who is to blame or even who we think is to blame.

Is this process we are in of resolving the economic mess will it in the process do more social damage then it was worth longterm will this country be a better place after this government then it was before and this government wants seven more years to complete the job can society afford to let them have those seven years or will the damage they do in that time be beyond repair. Is it even the fault of those in government or are they just a natural progression of the professional politician culture that has grown in this countrry since the mid 90's (thats when i became more aware of pro politicians not saying that was when it started) and we only have ourselves to blame for not saying stop sooner.

Is it time for us to completely revamp our political system removing the short termism from many areas of longterm concern such as training and education, major national infrastructure projects and health and welfare to name a few and get the debate going. Moving those areas out of government control and handing the planning to a commitee of people to come up with the best proposals free from political interference and when they have a plan or change or whatever it is sent to the commons to be voted on in a free vote where the only concern of individual mp's is "is this in the best national interest".

I may not have worded what i meant as well as i could but i hope i have done it enough for people to understand what i am getting at, that is it time for real change in this country and can we continue the imbalance of cuts and affect of the economic situation to continue regardless of the damage to our society. Although there are many facets of this debate such as welfare, education, health and things of that nature can we not get bogged down on any one issue as seems to happen a lot and also just to be clear this is not any sort of debate on religion soo please no religion based posts as that area never ends with a respectful attitude.

I would like this to be a pleasant debate where all views and opinions are not necessarily agreed with but we treat all with equal respect. Could i also ask people to give their ideas on how things are and where we can\could\should change things not just jump in with yes\no\don't know or other non contributing posts and above all no personal insults, trolling or stupidity. Some people on here i know use english as a second language and as such their wording may not always be perfect can we overlook that and recognise the point being made rather then get caught up on how they may have misworded something.

Finally i have started this topic in current affairs as i think the state of our society and a topic dealing with that as well as other issues belongs here but will understand if Moderators move it to somewhere they feel it fits better. Let the debate begin.