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Old 26-01-2013, 15:26   #153
RizzyKing
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Re: [Update] Cameron promises EU referendum by October 2017

I am in the get out soon as camp there may be benefits to being in the the eu but there are also large downsides that might get a lot worse in time to come. Damien you continue to raise the 50% trade argument but as Chris said that figure is diminishing and has been for quite a few years. Trade is the biggest argument to stay in the eu but here's the thing are we better staying in the eu with that trade or breaking away now and developing more longterm lucrative trade with the wider and larger global market. I think the uk's future lies in the wider global market then the eu market.

We also cannot ignore the fact that the eu basically benefits Germany who have done very well out of the eu and France to a lesser degree and they are the one's who determine the direction of the eu using economics to direct the other member states. In the future Germany and France want closer integration and a greater degree of federalism that many people do not want. The vote in the seventies no longer validates the uk's membership as the organisation they voted for bears no resemblance to the organisation that exists today or will exist in future.

Personally I think the only way to have an eu that we could all live with is for all member states to have in/out referendums with national general elections so that Brussels does have to both listen and act in the best interests of the people rather then to some utopian political blueprint.
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