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Originally Posted by Mick Fisher
I cannot believe anyone is taking Cameron's word on a referendum seriously.
He made exactly the same pledge at the last election and reneged on it. He will do exactly the same again. He is taking the electorate for a load of mugs with short term memory problems.
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You appear to be suffering a short-term memory problem.
Cameron has never promised an in/out referendum on our membership of the EU. He promised a referendum on the ratification of the Lisbon Treaty. When Labour ratified the treaty before the general election, the idea of a referendum on ratification became meaningless. Cameron therefore dropped that pledge, a full six months before the general election of 2010, and went into that election stating that there would not be a referendum on Lisbon if he became PM.
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This whole referendum scam is just a ploy to get himself and his party re-elected.
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Yes it is. But having stated that there will be an in/out referendum no later than October 2017 in the event of an outright Conserevative win in the 2015 election, he has committed himself. The only way he can wriggle out of it now is by losing the election.
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Vote UKIP. It seems to be the only choice if you really want a referendum on Europe.
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No, voting UKIP in 2015 will rob Tory candidates in marginal seats of the votes they need to help form an outright Consevative majority. You were right that the pledge is a ploy to get elected; you are wrong to think Camereon will be able to drop the pledge if he wins in 2015.
UKIP will not deliver a referendum because UKIP cannot win in 2015 or in 2020. Our electoral system prevents it. Voting UKIP will deliver another Coalition at best; at worst it will hand the keys of no. 10 to Ed Millipede.
I think the best means of keeping the pressure on Cameron is to vote UKIP at every opportunity short of the general election itself, particularly at the Euro-elections in 2014.